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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 27 September 2017

27 Sep 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
City of Culture Bids (Paisley and Dundee)

I thank business managers across the chamber for agreeing not only that we should schedule this business but that we should have a motion to which we could all agree supporting these two very important bids. That is important, and both bid teams will be grateful for the contributions from across the chamber.

The debate has been very good. I think that Alex Cole-Hamilton said earlier that it shows the Parliament at its best when we come together in the way we have today. It is clear that there is a shared appreciation and passion for the bids of Paisley and Dundee, and the ambitions that they represent. It is great to hear the consensus around the chamber for the range of cultural, economic and social benefits that the bids will bring not just to Paisley, Dundee and their surrounding areas, but to individuals, communities and organisations across Scotland, the UK and Europe. I thank members for the quality and depth of today’s debate. For anyone who did not manage to sit through all today’s debate, the passion and enthusiasm were such that it is worth going back and having a look. I am not just talking about George Adam’s passion for Dundee.

I did not actually have to pay George Adam to agree to mention Dundee in his speech. We had a discussion and I promised that I would mention Paisley in my speech. The important thing is that the bids are not competing; they are complementary and the two bid teams are looking to learn from each other. Dundee has some experience from its bid to be UK city of culture in 2017. It was narrowly pipped at the post, unfortunately, but it learned a lot of lessons from the bid that it has been sharing that with Paisley.

Liam Kerr talked a bit about the connection between culture and history and about their importance to tourism. However, I say to him that—and I will be as gentle as I can—when we are talking about football, perhaps some history is best forgotten.

Neil Bibby talked about his pride in the work that has been done in bringing the Paisley bid together. The tributes that he paid to the bid team were well made, and the Dundee bid team has also put in a huge amount of work. Paisley is further down the line and the effort that has been put in there is immense. I know that the bid teams in Paisley and Dundee will be grateful to hear that recognised in the Scottish Parliament.

Ross Greer somehow managed to weave in Karl Marx and radical politics to highlight the rich tapestry of Paisley’s culture and he also mentioned the important of winning the bid and the process of making the bid. In Dundee, we did not just learn a lot about the process of applying to be the UK city of culture 2017, we gained a lot as we went on that journey. I am sure that that will also be the case for Paisley, although, as Neil Bibby said, Paisley is in it to win it.

Alex Cole-Hamilton talked about crossing the Tay in his youth. He might have noticed in his recent journeys that the lemons are back. They were certainly an important part of any journey that I made from Dundee to Fife. The lemons represent, to some extent, the circle of how history and culture move forward and remind us just how far Dundee has come in its cultural revival. It is remarkable what has happened there. It was remarkable to hear from their speeches that Alex Cole-Hamilton and Maurice Golden were hitting the same clubs in Dundee. They were not the clubs that I attended—I did not attend any sticky-carpet clubs with them.

As expected, George Adam waxed lyrical about Paisley but he also talked about how similar Paisley and Dundee are. It has been said by a few members that Paisley is not an official city but it is about the size of most cities. Although Dundee has always been recognised to be a city, Paisley and Dundee are two of Scotland’s biggest villages, in that everybody kens everybody. That is one of the biggest benefits of these two places. The connections that that allows are important for taking forward the bids. Paisley’s bid is strengthened by the fact that people can work across the community and across party-political lines. Neil Bibby made the point that the bid was originally started by a Labour council administration with the support of an SNP opposition and is now being carried forward by an SNP council administration with the support of a Labour opposition.

We have seen something similar in Dundee as well: every time we have talked about Dundee’s culture, we have had support from right across the political spectrum. That goes right back to the development of the waterfront plan, which Graeme Dey mentioned. In 2001, when I was a councillor in opposition in Dundee, everyone in the council came together to draw up that fantastic waterfront plan with the aim of taking Dundee forward. It is because we were able to set aside the party politics that, through all the changes in the administration—starting with a Labour administration, moving to a Labour-Conservative alliance and then moving to an SNP administration—we have all been able to ensure that we are doing the best for Dundee.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-07862, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on recognising and supporting Paisley’s 2021 United Kingdom city of c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture, Tourism and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I remind members that if they want to speak in the debate, there is a wee thing that they have to do: press their request-to-...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted to be speaking in the debate, and I am grateful to Fiona Hyslop for giving Parliament the opportunity to signal our support for the Paisley 20...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to open the debate on behalf of the Labour Party and speak in support of Paisley’s bid for UK city of culture 2021 and Dundee’s bid for Euro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I understand why Paisley got the biggest hit in your speech, but I am afraid that you have run out of time for Dundee. I will not hold it against you.
Neil Bibby Lab
I wish Dundee and Paisley every success in their bids over the coming months.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sure that you do. We now move to the open debate, and we will have speeches of six minutes. 15:42
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Scotland is incredibly fortunate to have a rich cultural heritage—one that is known, respected and enjoyed across the world. To see that recognised through t...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I grew up in a small farming village outside St Andrews in the 1980s and 1990s, so Dundee was a metropolis to me. Lying 14 miles to the north, it always held...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much. George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have not called you yet, Mr Adam. I know that you are dead keen. I call George Adam. 15:53
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. My calves were not coping too well, but I was poised to stand up. I am, of course, extremely pleased to take part in the debate...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Gosh, Maurice Corry—follow that. In the footsteps of George Adam, I say well done. I was extremely pleased that Dundee was to go ahead with the events that...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I will at least attempt to make as strong a case for the city of discovery as George Adam made for Paisley. First, I offer a degree of context for my suppor...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Paisley on making the shortlist for the UK city of culture. The fact that it has progressed this far is testament to the strength of the bid, ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Fiona Hyslop SNP
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Joan McAlpine SNP
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Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Fiona Hyslop for bringing the debate to the chamber. It gives us an opportunity to show our support for two remarkable areas of Scotland and our appr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
For a moment I thought you were offering to pay. I call Tom Arthur, the last speaker in the open debate. 16:29
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
As someone who was born in Paisley, was brought up in nearby Barrhead and is one of Renfrewshire’s three constituency MSPs, I am delighted to have the opport...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
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Maurice Golden Con
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The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Of course.