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Meeting of the Parliament 27 September 2017

27 Sep 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
City of Culture Bids (Paisley and Dundee)
Macdonald, Lewis Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Often in this place, we have to agree to differ—after all, that is the essence of parliamentary debate. Taking issue is an essential part of a modern democracy, and we Scots have excelled at it over many generations. Sometimes, however, we have to agree to agree, because there is no issue between us—as is clearly the case when it comes to supporting the bids that we have been discussing today. Bids for recognition as centres of cultural life are, by definition, competitive, and the race between Paisley and Perth to challenge for the title of UK city of culture in 2021 was no different. We have heard today all the qualities that make Paisley’s bid so strong, as it goes forward to the final stage with unanimous support from the Parliament and enthusiastic backing from across Scotland.

Likewise, the city of Dundee has attracted broad support for its bid to be European capital of culture in 2023, and it goes forward with a fair and, indeed, strong wind behind it. The award goes back over 30 years, to when Melina Mercouri in Greece and Jack Lang in France came up with the idea of recognising individual cities as cultural capitals—not of individual countries, but of Europe as a whole. Over that time, the title of capital of culture, like that of UK city of culture, has stimulated artistic creativity and economic growth in a series of cities, great and small. As Bill Bowman mentioned, Glasgow and Liverpool are the only previous British holders of the European title, and their years as European capital of culture were memorable and significant in the regeneration and reinvention of both those great cities, as Joan McAlpine and others have reminded us.

Dundee now has the chance to join that august company, and is clearly well placed to do so. The celebration of contemporary arts and repertory theatre, the V&A museum of design and the redevelopment of the waterfront all contribute already to the cultural life of the city and the country, and there is clearly more to come.

At the same time—as my colleague Jenny Marra reminded us in supporting the city’s bid to be UK city of culture four years ago—Dundee also has too many communities in which cultural life and access to health, jobs and hope for the future are still in too-short supply. The city is well placed to be creative, but it is also well placed to turn cultural opportunity into economic and social benefit and so to make the most of the title, if it is awarded to it, in 2023. That would build on the transformation over the past 30 years, which Graeme Dey highlighted.

The capital of culture is a European Union competition, but the competition for 2023 is to represent Britain in Europe, which is an interesting and momentous challenge. The successful candidate will be chosen by a panel of 12 judges, 10 of whom are from other European countries, but the cities or regions that are competing with Dundee for the title are all from elsewhere in the United Kingdom. That is because EU member states take it in turn to put forward candidates to be recognised as the capital of culture and, for the 2023 competition, that honour will fall on the United Kingdom and on Hungary. Therefore, as with the UK city of culture competition, Dundee has to win its bid in competition with other cities and centres from around these islands. The difference is that the judges come from across the EU.

The judging panel will shortlist bids in the next few weeks and make a final decision next year. Getting through the first stage will depend on the quality of the cities’ submissions, and eventual success will depend on which one is best able to work up its submission into a really convincing proposal. We have heard about the sheer range and variety of cultural strengths of Dundee—I think that we will hear more on that from the minister in a moment—which will help in the task, as will the crucial involvement of so many Dundonians in developing the bid, as Mary Fee mentioned.

As a member for North East Scotland, I often reflect, as Graeme Dey did, on the relationship between the two cities that I am fortunate enough to represent. Although they are in a single parliamentary region, Aberdeen and Dundee are regional centres in their own rights. Part of what makes a city region is the strength of cultural identity and how much there is in common, and is seen to be in common, between town and country and between a city and its region. People in Insch and Inverurie take pride in the name and reputation of Aberdeen, while Dundee attracts the same loyalty from people in Kirriemuir and beyond. As the cabinet secretary said, that regional solidarity is a critical strength of Dundee’s bid for 2023.

Of course, Aberdeen and Dundee compete mightily in all manner of fields, from academic research to sporting prowess, and both cities aspired to the title of UK city of culture in 2017. Just as Dundee has used that experience as a springboard to bid to be European capital of culture in 2023, so Aberdeen has taken the first steps towards a bid to be UK city of culture in 2025.

My friend and former colleague Frank Doran, who came from Dundee to represent Aberdeen at Westminster 30 years ago, has always described competition between our two great north-east cities as a source of creative tension. The on-going bids for cultural recognition prove that he is right about that. After all, creative tension is what the process is all about.

We are demonstrating to people across Scotland, Britain and Europe that Paisley and Dundee have so many strengths and attributes that the cities can carry forward to the international stage. Those attributes add to the excellence that they have to offer and make the bids—which represent us all—so strong. Paisley and Dundee are standard bearers for all of Scotland in the competitions, and they have the full support of members around the chamber, as we have heard today, and of all concerned.

We look forward to many more opportunities for Scotland’s great cities and towns to fly the flag as UK cities of culture and European capitals of culture in the years ahead.

16:41  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-07862, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on recognising and supporting Paisley’s 2021 United Kingdom city of c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture, Tourism and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I call the next speaker, I remind members that if they want to speak in the debate, there is a wee thing that they have to do: press their request-to-...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted to be speaking in the debate, and I am grateful to Fiona Hyslop for giving Parliament the opportunity to signal our support for the Paisley 20...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to open the debate on behalf of the Labour Party and speak in support of Paisley’s bid for UK city of culture 2021 and Dundee’s bid for Euro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I understand why Paisley got the biggest hit in your speech, but I am afraid that you have run out of time for Dundee. I will not hold it against you.
Neil Bibby Lab
I wish Dundee and Paisley every success in their bids over the coming months.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sure that you do. We now move to the open debate, and we will have speeches of six minutes. 15:42
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Scotland is incredibly fortunate to have a rich cultural heritage—one that is known, respected and enjoyed across the world. To see that recognised through t...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I grew up in a small farming village outside St Andrews in the 1980s and 1990s, so Dundee was a metropolis to me. Lying 14 miles to the north, it always held...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much. George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have not called you yet, Mr Adam. I know that you are dead keen. I call George Adam. 15:53
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. My calves were not coping too well, but I was poised to stand up. I am, of course, extremely pleased to take part in the debate...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Gosh, Maurice Corry—follow that. In the footsteps of George Adam, I say well done. I was extremely pleased that Dundee was to go ahead with the events that...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I will at least attempt to make as strong a case for the city of discovery as George Adam made for Paisley. First, I offer a degree of context for my suppor...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Paisley on making the shortlist for the UK city of culture. The fact that it has progressed this far is testament to the strength of the bid, ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Today, we are debating the fine cultural achievements of Paisley and Dundee—and quite right, too. First, I want to reference another great city, Glasgow, the...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I think that one set of figures looks at the legacy from a 10-year perspective, while the other takes a shorter-term view. Both sets of figures show the impo...
Joan McAlpine SNP
I thank the minister for that clarification and for confirming that there is no massaging of the figures going on. Whatever the figures are, it is well estab...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Fiona Hyslop for bringing the debate to the chamber. It gives us an opportunity to show our support for two remarkable areas of Scotland and our appr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
For a moment I thought you were offering to pay. I call Tom Arthur, the last speaker in the open debate. 16:29
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
As someone who was born in Paisley, was brought up in nearby Barrhead and is one of Renfrewshire’s three constituency MSPs, I am delighted to have the opport...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Who was counting the Sinatra quotes? Lewis Macdonald will wind up for Labour and has seven minutes, and Maurice Golden will have eight minutes for his speech...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Often in this place, we have to agree to differ—after all, that is the essence of parliamentary debate. Taking issue is an essential part of a modern democra...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Fiona Hyslop for her motion. My Scottish Conservative colleagues and I are grateful for the opportunity to show our party’s support for Paisley and D...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Given Maurice Golden’s earlier comments about Mr Dey, does he actually remember the Average White Band?
Maurice Golden Con
When I was doing my standard grade music short course, that was the answer to one of the questions. I was taught about the Average White Band, but did not li...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
I thank business managers across the chamber for agreeing not only that we should schedule this business but that we should have a motion to which we could a...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Of course.