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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 June 2017

28 Jun 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education Governance

But when the inspection regime is one and the same body, there is no ability in the system to test different approaches. I hope that the cabinet secretary will reflect on that for the future, because the example of workload and bureaucracy is telling in this area.

In the 52 pages of the Government’s document there are but three paragraphs on reducing bureaucracy. Not one of those pages reflects the role of Education Scotland and there is no mention of the 20,000 pages of the curriculum for excellence guidance that flowed from Education Scotland into every school. There is a lot to be done to make the case for Mr Swinney’s decision to reverse the whole system when the record of Education Scotland is so clear. Furthermore, who assesses its role? Who is Education Scotland accountable to? We understand that in the ministerial sense, but who is accountable for the quality of its work and the value that it adds to Scottish education?

That is the case for splitting Education Scotland’s functions. It is not about creating a tartan Office for Standards in Education—few, if any, would argue for that—but about having a body that examines what is going on in schools. I accept that independent inspection will always be difficult for teachers, but an independent inspectorate would also inspect Education Scotland. Therefore, if a headteacher wanted to try a new approach but had had conflicting guidance from Education Scotland, an independent inspector could test both. Cluster schools, quality improvement officers and experience from elsewhere would be part of that. An independent inspectorate could do that, but if the inspector is part of Education Scotland, there would be little push back, check or straight no to Education Scotland or to the regional director. That is a decent case for reform.

In The Herald today, Education Scotland’s interim boss has written that he does not want a turf war over responsibilities, but what does the Government expect? Does it expect local government to roll over and have powers such as the statutory responsibility for educational improvement removed?

As I think that the cabinet secretary has accepted in today’s debate, many councils have those responsibilities, and I have not heard anyone make the case that they do not do that well. The Government’s proposals, far from delivering consensus, ignore the vast weight of the consultation response, which others have mentioned, that argues that the structure should be left alone. We do not need a turf war, and many across education, including teachers and parents, consider that that would be a waste of valuable time and effort.

It is on that basis and that case for reform that I move my amendment S5M-06376.2, to insert at end:

“; opposes compulsory top-down regional collaboration and the shifting of further control towards Scottish ministers; recalls the evidence presented to the Education and Skills Committee in favour of separating the policy and inspection functions of Education Scotland and believes that this is necessary, and notes the essential role of support services for schools, notably youth workers.”

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In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-06376, in the name of John Swinney, on education governance: next steps. 14:41
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Two weeks ago, I set out the Government’s vision for education and our proposals for reform. Our ambition is to create a world-class education system in whic...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
When I speak to teachers in my constituency, they talk about the cuts that are taking place, workloads that have them completely run off their feet, class si...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Rowley will have noticed the data that was released yesterday, which indicated that there has been an increase in local authority expenditure on education...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Gray will forgive me, I will answer Mr Rowley’s question first. Mr Rowley will also be aware of the contribution of pupil equity funding, which is goi...
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney referred to the figures that came out yesterday. Does he accept that the cash increase that the figures demonstrated becomes a real-terms decrease...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Gray will be familiar with the wider public finance position with which the Scottish Government wrestles. I remind him of the Audit Scotland report that i...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will Mr Swinney give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Balfour will forgive me, I will give way in a moment. The educational rationale for the measures is strong, with teams of professionals with specialis...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary mentions that he would like to see more collaboration. In the consultation document, the Government acknowledges the response from teac...
John Swinney SNP
At the heart of the OECD review was a concern about the lack of collaboration in our education system. I am putting in place the mechanisms to enable that co...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
My party will be supporting the motion in the name of John Swinney, for the simple reason that it adopts the line of argument that the Scottish Conservatives...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Liz Smith accept that some schools, especially in deprived areas, benefit greatly from the support that they get from the centre—for example, from Glasg...
Liz Smith Con
Absolutely, but I will deal with that specifically when I mention pupil equity funding, because there are real issues about where the power to make the initi...
John Swinney SNP
Obviously, I am very interested in the line of argument that Liz Smith is pursuing with regard to pupil equity funding, as there is guidance available on how...
Liz Smith Con
I am pleased that the cabinet secretary has raised that point, because I would like to think that that is true. However, according to the paper that Frank Le...
John Swinney SNP
I would like to pursue that further. That is interesting but it does not address the issue that I raised. There is guidance available to help and to inform d...
Liz Smith Con
The policy intention is clear, cabinet secretary, but I am not sure about the delivery. If we look at what the educational establishment has said about some ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Members are being very generous about taking interventions, but I am conscious that we are pressed for time, so I am making members aware of that. 15:05
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Before I tempt the cabinet secretary into his usual tired and tedious tirade about us never supporting anything he does—and I will—let me establish some comm...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I chaired the conference last week where Keir Bloomer made the comments that the member mentioned. However, he also said that he supports the direction that ...
Iain Gray Lab
The quotations that I gave were of what he said at the conference, but it is true that Keir Bloomer is a friend of much of the direction that the cabinet sec...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Iain Gray Lab
No, I am sorry, but I will not. That was in the Government’s own summary of the consultation. Parents, teachers, headteachers, councils and educationists ar...
John Swinney SNP
Two weeks ago, when I set out the proposals, Mr Gray welcomed the purpose of regional collaboratives, which is to provide increased educational development r...
Iain Gray Lab
No. Let me come on to that point, because it is important. Recruiting headteachers and teachers is already a problem. Our teachers already have lower salari...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
If the Scottish Government is serious about closing the multiple attainment gaps, ending inequality and raising standards in education, it needs to listen—to...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Greer has just made a point that I have made, which is that decisions about education are taken most effectively as close as possible to where that educat...
Ross Greer Green
I do not need to marshal the arguments, because they are made in the Government’s consultation document by the teachers themselves. Teachers were exceptional...