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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 June 2017

28 Jun 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education Governance
Greer, Ross Green West Scotland Watch on SPTV

If the Scottish Government is serious about closing the multiple attainment gaps, ending inequality and raising standards in education, it needs to listen—to teachers, pupils, parents and others with the knowledge and experience of what works and what does not. So far, the education governance review has been an exercise in collecting the thoughts, observations and ideas of all those with a stake in Scottish education, before roundly ignoring them in pursuit of a significant change that was not asked for, is quite clearly opposed and for which there is no evidence that the quality of education will actually improve as a result.

The motion even calls on the Government

“to engage with all parties and stakeholders, including parents and young people, in continuing to develop these plans.”

However, those who responded to the first consultation will be left wondering why they should bother. We should not forget that some people reported that they felt unable to respond to the consultation in the format in which it was presented.

The next steps report on education reform charges ahead with Scottish Government proposals for widespread governance reform against the express wishes of teachers, parents and educationists.

The Government’s summary of responses clearly acknowledges that there is

“widespread support for the current governance system and an apprehension towards further change within the system”

and that

“the case for significant changes in governance had not been made”.

On specific proposals such as the regional governance structure, the response was even more damning and very clear. The summary states:

“There was strong opposition against the uniform establishment of educational regions, particularly from local authorities, but also from schools, agencies, parent councils and individuals”.

A lot of key players involved in education strongly oppose these proposals. It is therefore alarming to see the Government move ahead with them despite such a negative response. Those people will be wondering why they should bother responding to the next round of consultations on funding models. I hope that the Scottish Government can offer them some reassurance and evidence that it is listening.

Given the lack of support for the proposals among those involved in education, we must ask who beyond the Scottish National Party and Conservative members in the Parliament supports them. The Government quotes in its report Dylan William, a University College London emeritus professor, which gives the impression that it is building on his recommendations. However, his quote was taken somewhat out of context. He said that a number of ways to improve education have been attempted, including changes to the governance of schools—precisely what the Government is proposing—but that

“the net impact at a system level has been close to zero, if not actually zero.”

The OECD report, which the Government commissioned, does not back up the reform agenda either. It states:

“There is no one right system of governance. In principle, nearly all governance structures can be successful in education under the right conditions.”

Why is the Government so obsessed with governance reform? Why does it not address the real issues of budget cuts and staff reductions, which were raised so clearly in the responses to its consultation?

The proposals are not just unwanted or unnecessary; they bring risk. One of the strengths of our education system is its local democratic accountability, which means that decisions are taken at the closest level possible to the people they affect, while allowing for adequate accountability structures.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-06376, in the name of John Swinney, on education governance: next steps. 14:41
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Two weeks ago, I set out the Government’s vision for education and our proposals for reform. Our ambition is to create a world-class education system in whic...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
When I speak to teachers in my constituency, they talk about the cuts that are taking place, workloads that have them completely run off their feet, class si...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Rowley will have noticed the data that was released yesterday, which indicated that there has been an increase in local authority expenditure on education...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Gray will forgive me, I will answer Mr Rowley’s question first. Mr Rowley will also be aware of the contribution of pupil equity funding, which is goi...
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney referred to the figures that came out yesterday. Does he accept that the cash increase that the figures demonstrated becomes a real-terms decrease...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Gray will be familiar with the wider public finance position with which the Scottish Government wrestles. I remind him of the Audit Scotland report that i...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will Mr Swinney give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Balfour will forgive me, I will give way in a moment. The educational rationale for the measures is strong, with teams of professionals with specialis...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary mentions that he would like to see more collaboration. In the consultation document, the Government acknowledges the response from teac...
John Swinney SNP
At the heart of the OECD review was a concern about the lack of collaboration in our education system. I am putting in place the mechanisms to enable that co...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
My party will be supporting the motion in the name of John Swinney, for the simple reason that it adopts the line of argument that the Scottish Conservatives...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Liz Smith accept that some schools, especially in deprived areas, benefit greatly from the support that they get from the centre—for example, from Glasg...
Liz Smith Con
Absolutely, but I will deal with that specifically when I mention pupil equity funding, because there are real issues about where the power to make the initi...
John Swinney SNP
Obviously, I am very interested in the line of argument that Liz Smith is pursuing with regard to pupil equity funding, as there is guidance available on how...
Liz Smith Con
I am pleased that the cabinet secretary has raised that point, because I would like to think that that is true. However, according to the paper that Frank Le...
John Swinney SNP
I would like to pursue that further. That is interesting but it does not address the issue that I raised. There is guidance available to help and to inform d...
Liz Smith Con
The policy intention is clear, cabinet secretary, but I am not sure about the delivery. If we look at what the educational establishment has said about some ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Members are being very generous about taking interventions, but I am conscious that we are pressed for time, so I am making members aware of that. 15:05
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Before I tempt the cabinet secretary into his usual tired and tedious tirade about us never supporting anything he does—and I will—let me establish some comm...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I chaired the conference last week where Keir Bloomer made the comments that the member mentioned. However, he also said that he supports the direction that ...
Iain Gray Lab
The quotations that I gave were of what he said at the conference, but it is true that Keir Bloomer is a friend of much of the direction that the cabinet sec...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Iain Gray Lab
No, I am sorry, but I will not. That was in the Government’s own summary of the consultation. Parents, teachers, headteachers, councils and educationists ar...
John Swinney SNP
Two weeks ago, when I set out the proposals, Mr Gray welcomed the purpose of regional collaboratives, which is to provide increased educational development r...
Iain Gray Lab
No. Let me come on to that point, because it is important. Recruiting headteachers and teachers is already a problem. Our teachers already have lower salari...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
If the Scottish Government is serious about closing the multiple attainment gaps, ending inequality and raising standards in education, it needs to listen—to...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Greer has just made a point that I have made, which is that decisions about education are taken most effectively as close as possible to where that educat...
Ross Greer Green
I do not need to marshal the arguments, because they are made in the Government’s consultation document by the teachers themselves. Teachers were exceptional...