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Meeting of the Parliament 28 June 2017

28 Jun 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education Governance
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

The policy intention is clear, cabinet secretary, but I am not sure about the delivery. If we look at what the educational establishment has said about some of the Government reforms, we see that it seems very uncertain about delivery of the policies in practice.

When it comes to the cabinet secretary’s decision to rule out a greater diversity of schools, he faces a major issue. After almost two years of keeping them waiting, he has told the parents of pupils at St Joseph’s school, the Al-Qalam school, the Glasgow Steiner school, Mirren Park school and the Aberdeen Green school near Maryculter, as well as various philanthropists, that he is interested in their ideas, but he will not move on the radical agenda.

The irony is that he is turning a blind eye to the evidence about what works. Take Newlands junior college, for example, which is a radical departure from the status quo and an institution that delivers top-class results and inspires others to follow suit. Why can that principle not be extended elsewhere? Many times in this Parliament, the Scottish Conservatives have been accused of being ideologically driven when it comes to education, but at every turn what has driven us is what works. I suggest that the very negative reaction to some of the proposed Scottish Government reforms in sections of the educational establishment is more ideologically driven than anything that we have ever proposed. We completely reject the assertion that weaker educational performance in Scottish schools is to do with money and resources; they have an impact, but that is not the whole story.

There are other inconsistencies in the Scottish Government’s proposals, particularly with regard to regional collaboration, which my colleagues will come back to later. As I understand it, the regional boards are supposed to be bodies for professional advice and support. I accept that, but I do not accept that they should have an element of bureaucratic input, which is how it has been presented—that is certainly how it has been interpreted. It should be the job of Education Scotland, if it were properly organised, to provide that support. We have spent many months in the Education and Skills Committee looking at the roles of Scotland’s agencies, and Education Scotland has been found to be wanting in its provision of professional support.

I turn to the Liberal Democrat amendment on Education Scotland. Given the evidence that we took in committee, I was astonished to read that the cabinet secretary intends to allow the inspectorate to remain part of the same body that undertakes curriculum development. His reason for doing that is that inspection is part and parcel of evaluation and improvement. It is, but surely that must be done on an independent basis.

There has been no doubt in the minds of Scottish Conservatives that Scotland’s schools are being held back, not by teachers, parents or pupils, but by a system the evidence for which does not make happy reading and which is too rigid and too doctrinaire on the principle of one size fits all. As the cabinet secretary has said, it is time to change it, but in a much more radical way than is proposed by the Scottish National Party.

I move amendment S5M-06376.1, to insert at end:

“, but, in doing so, deeply regrets the missed opportunity to give full autonomy to headteachers and to further extend choice and diversity within the school system in a way that responds positively to changing parental demand and the philanthropic vision of new types of schools.”

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The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-06376, in the name of John Swinney, on education governance: next steps. 14:41
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Two weeks ago, I set out the Government’s vision for education and our proposals for reform. Our ambition is to create a world-class education system in whic...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
When I speak to teachers in my constituency, they talk about the cuts that are taking place, workloads that have them completely run off their feet, class si...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Rowley will have noticed the data that was released yesterday, which indicated that there has been an increase in local authority expenditure on education...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Gray will forgive me, I will answer Mr Rowley’s question first. Mr Rowley will also be aware of the contribution of pupil equity funding, which is goi...
Iain Gray Lab
Mr Swinney referred to the figures that came out yesterday. Does he accept that the cash increase that the figures demonstrated becomes a real-terms decrease...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Gray will be familiar with the wider public finance position with which the Scottish Government wrestles. I remind him of the Audit Scotland report that i...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will Mr Swinney give way?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Balfour will forgive me, I will give way in a moment. The educational rationale for the measures is strong, with teams of professionals with specialis...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary mentions that he would like to see more collaboration. In the consultation document, the Government acknowledges the response from teac...
John Swinney SNP
At the heart of the OECD review was a concern about the lack of collaboration in our education system. I am putting in place the mechanisms to enable that co...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
My party will be supporting the motion in the name of John Swinney, for the simple reason that it adopts the line of argument that the Scottish Conservatives...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Liz Smith accept that some schools, especially in deprived areas, benefit greatly from the support that they get from the centre—for example, from Glasg...
Liz Smith Con
Absolutely, but I will deal with that specifically when I mention pupil equity funding, because there are real issues about where the power to make the initi...
John Swinney SNP
Obviously, I am very interested in the line of argument that Liz Smith is pursuing with regard to pupil equity funding, as there is guidance available on how...
Liz Smith Con
I am pleased that the cabinet secretary has raised that point, because I would like to think that that is true. However, according to the paper that Frank Le...
John Swinney SNP
I would like to pursue that further. That is interesting but it does not address the issue that I raised. There is guidance available to help and to inform d...
Liz Smith Con
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Members are being very generous about taking interventions, but I am conscious that we are pressed for time, so I am making members aware of that. 15:05
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Before I tempt the cabinet secretary into his usual tired and tedious tirade about us never supporting anything he does—and I will—let me establish some comm...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I chaired the conference last week where Keir Bloomer made the comments that the member mentioned. However, he also said that he supports the direction that ...
Iain Gray Lab
The quotations that I gave were of what he said at the conference, but it is true that Keir Bloomer is a friend of much of the direction that the cabinet sec...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Iain Gray Lab
No, I am sorry, but I will not. That was in the Government’s own summary of the consultation. Parents, teachers, headteachers, councils and educationists ar...
John Swinney SNP
Two weeks ago, when I set out the proposals, Mr Gray welcomed the purpose of regional collaboratives, which is to provide increased educational development r...
Iain Gray Lab
No. Let me come on to that point, because it is important. Recruiting headteachers and teachers is already a problem. Our teachers already have lower salari...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
If the Scottish Government is serious about closing the multiple attainment gaps, ending inequality and raising standards in education, it needs to listen—to...
John Swinney SNP
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Ross Greer Green
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