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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 21 June 2017

21 Jun 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Agriculture
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

Nobody argues that the loans should not have been paid; indeed, they were a necessity to allow people to continue to function. Unfortunately, they were not the full payment, which means that a lot of people had to put their plans on the back burner—plans that were effective for those businesses to carry on.

Businesses that depend on the rural economy have also suffered. Even if they have managed to stay afloat, they face hardship for years to come to pay off debts racked up as a result. Even if the problem were fixed tomorrow, the consequences would last a long time. Money and resource need to be put back to support farmers and crofters as they try to pick themselves up again. They are vital, but public money once again has to be spent in the fallout from the mess. The Scottish Government needs to take responsibility for it, rather than shrugging its Teflon shoulders.

The fiasco also impacts on the larger rural economy: those who support farmers and crofters, such as people who improve buildings, fences and the like. Those maintenance and investment projects have stopped and small businesses are closing as a result, hitting the already fragile rural economy and delaying recovery, because those skills are lost. Far from investing in the rural economy, the Scottish Government has let it down.

Fergus Ewing might say that the system was not his choice as its purchase happened under Richard Lochhead’s tenure, and that is correct. However, he has had a year to sort it out and he has not even begun to make headway. I am clear that this is not a criticism of regional office staff, who have worked long and hard to try to get payments out and to help claimants. This is a failure of management. The fault ultimately lies with the Scottish Government that sourced the system and employed the contractor. Was due process carried out to make sure that they were up to the task? I have seen the secret report, and it does not give me confidence that the system will ever work. Will it simply limp on until Brexit renders it redundant? It is still costing the public purse, because amendments and changes to the system need to be paid for by the public, as do the loans required to keep farmers and crofters in business.

How long will the European Commission continue to overlook its failures? With Brexit, there is no need for them to keep us on side. Penalties will add to the cost of the whole project; at a time of austerity, it seems absolutely counterproductive that the taxpayer is shelling out and paying for this Government’s failure.

I acknowledge that the cabinet secretary has today published the conclusions and executive summary of the Fujitsu report, but it is time for the Government to be totally open with people about the extent of the issue and publish the full report, so that everyone can see what has happened.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
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Peter Chapman Con
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Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
Will Mr Chapman give way?
Peter Chapman Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please sit down, Mr Wightman.
Peter Chapman Con
I am sorry, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Wightman was asking if you would take an intervention, but you did not respond. We cannot have two members standing at the same time.
Peter Chapman Con
I did not realise. I am sorry, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Unless you wish to take the intervention, of course.
Peter Chapman Con
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Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Chapman take an intervention on that point?
Peter Chapman Con
I heard him this time. Yes, indeed.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I think that I helped you, Mr Wightman.
Andy Wightman Green
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Bear with me for a moment, Mr Chapman—please sit down while I confer. That is a matter on which you may or may not wish to respond, Mr Chapman.
Peter Chapman Con
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The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
It is always good to have the opportunity to debate agriculture in the chamber, but it is disappointing that, with so much potential for debate on the topic,...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It would appear that there is no end in sight to this fiasco. The cabinet secretary in his first days in office said that it would be his top priority, but i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry Ms Grant, but someone who should not have their phone switched on has a friend calling them and it is spoiling your speech. Members: It is up th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have located the culprit, so you may continue, Ms Grant.
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
It was coming from the gallery.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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Rhoda Grant Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I have spoken to people whose development plans have been badly undermined and who have had to shelve plans to make their busi...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I am absolutely aware of the difficulties facing individual farmers and crofters, but does Rhoda Grant recognise that the loan schemes that I instituted last...
Rhoda Grant Lab
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Fergus Ewing SNP
Will the member give way?
Rhoda Grant Lab
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes.