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Meeting of the Parliament 21 June 2017

21 Jun 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Agriculture
Chapman, Peter Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

It was a totally inappropriate question and I will not respond to it. [Applause.]

That brings us to another of the serious issues that the Audit Scotland report makes clear still need further work. The Scottish Government is required by EU regulations to make 95 per cent of payments by the end of June and there is a great deal of uncertainty about whether that can still be achieved or whether farmers will be left waiting yet again. Frankly, I do not believe that it can be achieved, but maybe the cabinet secretary can reassure us today on the subject; or does he intend to ask the EU for another extension to the payment window? I hope that Mr Ewing will be able to answer that question when he speaks.

Even if it can be achieved, it is still the case that farmers are punished far too harshly for minor errors. Let me give an example. A constituent of mine who forgot to attach maps for this year’s greening application, but who had done all the work, had all the acres in place and submitted all the relevant information, is facing a possible £16,000 penalty. What makes the situation worse is that, last year, a map was not required for the scheme.

Assuming that the farmer’s income is only £12,500, which was the average for 2016, even a Scottish National Party minister should be able to see that that leaves him in the red. His whole year’s profit will be gone at a stroke because of one simple mistake. Perhaps the cabinet secretary can explain why he can make mistakes but still keep his job but my constituent can make a minor mistake like that and lose all his income. Is it the case that stronger for Scotland simply means more support for beleaguered ministers while leaving struggling farmers in the lurch?

One would think that, given the list of failures, there might be some good to take away from all this, in that the worst is behind us, but I am sorry to say that that is not the case. In addition to the issues that plague the system every day, there is a real risk to the payment process from the absence of a back-up system. Audit Scotland highlighted that a year ago but nothing has been done. If a ransomware attack such as the one that hit our national health service just a few weeks ago and created havoc around the world were to be carried out on the CAP IT system, it would be cataclysmic. I am staggered that the SNP has done nothing at all to put in place basic safeguards, and I shudder to think how we would recover from such an attack.

Let us not forget that rural communities will have to go through the same fiasco all over again, as the system is not expected to be fully compliant until 2018 at the earliest. That means that, for nearly half the SNP’s time in government, it will have failed to get to grips with the issue. Assuming that the system works by 2018, the SNP will have spent five years not delivering a system for farmers and not delivering vital money on time to the places that need it the most.

The Government has spent its time apologising for, explaining away and excusing its failure to work for rural Scotland. The question is: can we ever expect it to take positive action and get on with finally fixing its mess?

I move,

That the Parliament notes the findings of Audit Scotland’s June 2017 update on the common agricultural policy (CAP) futures programme; notes that it highlights significant further work to be carried out on the CAP IT system; is concerned by the lack of detailed assessment of risk from financial penalties and the potential for up to £60 million in EU fines if the system is non-compliant; urges the Scottish Government to take swift action to develop a disaster recovery plan to cover the whole IT system; believes a clear plan for the transfer of knowledge to new staff must be developed, and is further concerned that the system will not be functioning as anticipated until 2018 at the earliest and will not deliver value for money.

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Will Mr Chapman give way?
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Please sit down, Mr Wightman.
Peter Chapman Con
I am sorry, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Wightman was asking if you would take an intervention, but you did not respond. We cannot have two members standing at the same time.
Peter Chapman Con
I did not realise. I am sorry, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Unless you wish to take the intervention, of course.
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Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Chapman take an intervention on that point?
Peter Chapman Con
I heard him this time. Yes, indeed.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I think that I helped you, Mr Wightman.
Andy Wightman Green
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Bear with me for a moment, Mr Chapman—please sit down while I confer. That is a matter on which you may or may not wish to respond, Mr Chapman.
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Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have located the culprit, so you may continue, Ms Grant.
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It was coming from the gallery.
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Fergus Ewing SNP
Will the member give way?
Rhoda Grant Lab
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes.