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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 21 June 2017

21 Jun 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Agriculture
Chapman, Peter Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests.

I remember, just over a year ago, reading the Audit Scotland report into the common agricultural policy information technology system. I have never read such a damning document as that one in all my years in business. It showed a governance structure that was riddled with incompetence, a budget that was wildly out of control and no prospect of getting the additional functionality that was promised.

At the time, the Scottish National Party Government seemed to be absolutely committed to getting the fiasco under control. We had Fergus Ewing in the chamber apologising to farmers and promising that action would be taken. I remember it well—he said, “I will get in aboot it!” I am not sure that the cabinet secretary has got in aboot it, but he is certainly in it.

This year’s update from Audit Scotland is, predictably, not much better. The Scottish Government is at risk of £60 million in fines from the European Union, but the First Minister does not seem to be overly concerned. It is amazing that after all the careful work that Audit Scotland has put in and its careful calculations, the First Minister thinks that she knows best and reckons that it will probably not be that much so why should we get worked up over it?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I am not sure about polite name calling. I think that we will leave that by the by. The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-06186, in the name of...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I remember, just over a year ago, reading the Audit Scotland report into the common agric...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I recognise that the Auditor General stated last year that the costs would range between £40 million and £125 million, but does Mr Chapman recall that we hav...
Peter Chapman Con
The interesting thing is that they came down to £5 million because we got an extra three months to pay the moneys out—until the end of October. If it happens...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
Will Mr Chapman give way?
Peter Chapman Con
Fergus Ewing regularly sings their praises, and I totally agree. They have been doing their absolute best and have had to endure angry exchanges with farmers...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please sit down, Mr Wightman.
Peter Chapman Con
I am sorry, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Wightman was asking if you would take an intervention, but you did not respond. We cannot have two members standing at the same time.
Peter Chapman Con
I did not realise. I am sorry, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Unless you wish to take the intervention, of course.
Peter Chapman Con
I am going to carry on. As we speak, there are teams in local area offices who are working overtime under huge pressure to deliver for our farmers. Fergus ...
Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Chapman take an intervention on that point?
Peter Chapman Con
I heard him this time. Yes, indeed.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I think that I helped you, Mr Wightman.
Andy Wightman Green
I thank Mr Chapman for taking an intervention. Will he confirm whether the £101,000 in 2015 and the £76,452 in 2016 that Peter Chapman Ltd received were on t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Bear with me for a moment, Mr Chapman—please sit down while I confer. That is a matter on which you may or may not wish to respond, Mr Chapman.
Peter Chapman Con
It was a totally inappropriate question and I will not respond to it. Applause. That brings us to another of the serious issues that the Audit Scotland rep...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
It is always good to have the opportunity to debate agriculture in the chamber, but it is disappointing that, with so much potential for debate on the topic,...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It would appear that there is no end in sight to this fiasco. The cabinet secretary in his first days in office said that it would be his top priority, but i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry Ms Grant, but someone who should not have their phone switched on has a friend calling them and it is spoiling your speech. Members: It is up th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have located the culprit, so you may continue, Ms Grant.
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
It was coming from the gallery.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, Mr Carlaw, but you went bright red, so I thought that it was your phone. Laughter. You will just have to stop blushing. On you go, Ms Grant. I a...
Rhoda Grant Lab
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Fergus Ewing SNP
I am absolutely aware of the difficulties facing individual farmers and crofters, but does Rhoda Grant recognise that the loan schemes that I instituted last...
Rhoda Grant Lab
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Fergus Ewing SNP
Will the member give way?
Rhoda Grant Lab
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes.