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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 24 May 2017

24 May 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Parks

I begin, as is customary, by congratulating Finlay Carson on bringing the debate to the chamber. He, like Emma Harper and Claudia Beamish and me, serves on the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee, which has oversight of national parks. Additionally, a small part of my constituency falls within the boundary of the Cairngorms national park. I look forward to the publication of the final version of its partnership plan for 2017 to 2022 shortly.

The establishment of the Cairngorms national park has been a good thing but, as Scottish Land & Estates has acknowledged, being able to see the benefits of national park status does not necessarily translate into automatic support for the creation of more national parks, as that is a more complicated issue. Conflicts will always arise around how national parks operate. In Loch Lomond and the Trossachs, we have seen the controversy over the approach to tackling wild camping issues, and in the Cairngorms, we have seen the park authority oppose wind farm applications from sites outwith its boundaries. Access to housing for local people has also been a problem.

By and large, from the environmental perspective, national parks are a vehicle for good, so I get the desire on the part of some for more parks. I also have some sympathy with the call for a marine national park. However, to paraphrase what the UK Prime Minister said on another matter, I wonder whether now is the time.

Although I entirely respect Finlay Carson for speaking up for his area, I will play devil’s advocate from a Scotland-wide perspective. Committee colleagues know that I quite enjoy playing that role, and I hope that my remarks will be accepted in that spirit.

The motion refers to calls for a review of national parks and the consideration of establishing new ones. What form would such a review take and what resource would it tie up? At a time when the relevant area of the Scottish Government has, for example, action on deer management, biodiversity, and wildlife crime issues to consider and implement, and a Scottish Natural Heritage report on the future vision for Scotland’s uplands to digest and act on, is it realistic to increase that workload, especially as it is set to be added to greatly by the consequences of Brexit? We should recognise that deer management, wildlife crime, land use in the uplands and biodiversity are, to varying degrees, issues of direct relevance to the existing parks and they would therefore be caught up in any such review.

My understanding is that the creation of a new national park would then take anything between two and four years, depending on the level of support, functions and governance structures, and the number of parks involved. As we have heard acknowledged, the level of support is critical. We would need to be clear that there was, if not a clamour, then certainly majority support for such a structure to be introduced among the local authorities and the affected communities.

How many new parks, whether all-singing or lite versions, would there be? Seven possibilities have been advanced.

Then there is the cost that will be involved. The financial memorandum that accompanied the 2000 act estimated the annual running costs for the two parks that we now have to be £6 million each when adjusted for inflation.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-03832, in the name of Finlay Carson, on the establishment of new national parks....
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I thank the members who supported my motion, allowing this debate to take place. Many of my colleagues will know that I have campaigned enthusiastically on t...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I ask this in all seriousness as a member of the Scottish Parliament who represents the Cairngorms, which is a fantastic national park. Mr Carson talked abou...
Finlay Carson Con
Absolutely—Kate Forbes has raised a good point. It is vital that there is flexibility, and that is in the legislation. We often describe the national park th...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate and I congratulate Finlay Carson on securing it. Mr Carson’s motion asks for a review of national parks across Scotland. ...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate my colleague Finlay Carson on securing the debate. As I come from the west of Scotland and live very near the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs n...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member give way?
Maurice Corry Con
Yes.
Kate Forbes SNP
On Loch Lomond and the Trossachs—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Kate Forbes.
Kate Forbes SNP
Sorry.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Enthusiasm is no bad thing, Ms Forbes.
Kate Forbes SNP
I am generally in favour of national parks, but one of the challenges is that, when a national park is established, house prices start to rise, which makes i...
Maurice Corry Con
Yes, it has been. There is an anachronism in the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs national park, which is that, in order to build in the national park, one has ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Like other members, I am grateful to Finlay Carson for the opportunity that the motion gives us to celebrate the success story that is Scotland’s existing na...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I begin, as is customary, by congratulating Finlay Carson on bringing the debate to the chamber. He, like Emma Harper and Claudia Beamish and me, serves on t...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Is it not the case that a light-touch national park, as other members have said, would be of value and—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Beamish, where is your microphone? Interruption.
Claudia Beamish Lab
At this time of night, I hope that I can remember what I just said.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
And you an experienced MSP.
Claudia Beamish Lab
The light-touch issue that has been highlighted by other members is important—I will leave it at that or Mr Dey will not have any of his time left.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you your time back, Mr Dey.
Graeme Dey SNP
Thank you. I get exactly where Claudia Beamish is coming from, but I point out to her that, whether it is light touch or whatever, the communities still hav...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I, too, thank my colleague Finlay Carson for securing a debate in the chamber on the important subject of establishing new national parks. As we know, Scotl...
Emma Harper SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I will, if I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you the time back.
Edward Mountain Con
In that case, I will take the intervention.
Emma Harper SNP
Graeme Dey has just made a compelling argument about the money that is involved. The Government has not made a decision yet, and the Cabinet Secretary for th...
Edward Mountain Con
When we look at business cases—as I did during my business career—we have to look at the opportunity cost and the potential net gain to the environment and t...