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Meeting of the Parliament 24 May 2017

24 May 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Parks

I am pleased to speak in the debate and I congratulate Finlay Carson on securing it. Mr Carson’s motion asks for a review of national parks across Scotland. I represent the South Scotland region, so I will focus on that area. Finlay Carson and I are both privileged to represent areas of outstanding natural beauty in Scotland. The landscape and surroundings in the south of Scotland and the south-west of Scotland are integral not just to our natural heritage but to the economy, as Finlay Carson said.

The south-west of Scotland is one of the most beautiful places on the planet. We are fortunate to have the Galloway and southern Ayrshire biosphere and within that the dark-sky park and the Galloway forest park. Last month, I was pleased to host the team behind the Galloway and southern Ayrshire biosphere in the Scottish Parliament to highlight their work to members. That was the first event in Parliament supporting the biosphere programme.

Biosphere reserves are places with world-class environments that are designated to promote and demonstrate a balanced relationship between people and nature. They are places that value and protect the biological and cultural diversity of a region while promoting environmentally sustainable economic development. The 5,268km2 of the Galloway and southern Ayrshire biosphere holds a United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization designation. I was particularly struck by the words of Dr Beth Taylor, chair of the United Kingdom national commission for UNESCO, when she spoke at my event in Parliament. Dr Taylor described UNESCO’s global networks as a

“powerful mechanism for collaborating with colleagues across borders, and helping friends around the world”.

That sentiment neatly sums up the reason why I was first attracted to the idea of the biosphere. For me, it is outward looking and international and it promotes ecological diversity and sustainable development.

The Ramsay report in 1945 identified the area around Merrick and Glen Trool as “eminently suitable” for a national park, but a proposal for a Galloway national park will need to work for the whole region. Feedback from local people who I have spoken to so far has been mixed. If a new park is to proceed in Galloway, it is vital that support is garnered from as wide a range of stakeholders as possible, as Finlay Carson noted.

There are advantages and disadvantages to having more national parks, but certainly there is potential in the idea. I was pleased to attend Finlay Carson’s parliamentary event in January to hear the case being made by the Scottish Campaign for National Parks. The event was well attended and supporters spoke eloquently and passionately about why they believe that establishing the national park would be good for Scotland.

In meetings and surgeries over the past year, I have heard a variety of people voice different and sometimes opposing views on having a national park for the south-west or for Galloway. It is important that any proposals come directly from the people of the south of Scotland and are for something that people who live and work there are happy to support and live with for the long term.

National parks are not a silver bullet and they carry considerable costs. It is important not to lose sight of the many positive examples already in place in the south-west, and the benefits that they are delivering. I read with interest a document produced by the Scottish Campaign for National Parks that details various governance models, and I am attracted to the idea of a governance model consisting of a park committee that is overseen by the local authority. That would solve one of the problems that I described, by avoiding the relatively complex and costly arrangements that are in place at Scotland’s two existing national parks.

I thank Finlay Carson for bringing the issue to the chamber. It is important to have this debate and to seriously consider whether the creation of a national park would make the situation easier or more difficult for the wider rural economy. If we create a national park, the best way to go about it will be to encourage all stakeholders to be involved.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-03832, in the name of Finlay Carson, on the establishment of new national parks....
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I thank the members who supported my motion, allowing this debate to take place. Many of my colleagues will know that I have campaigned enthusiastically on t...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I ask this in all seriousness as a member of the Scottish Parliament who represents the Cairngorms, which is a fantastic national park. Mr Carson talked abou...
Finlay Carson Con
Absolutely—Kate Forbes has raised a good point. It is vital that there is flexibility, and that is in the legislation. We often describe the national park th...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate and I congratulate Finlay Carson on securing it. Mr Carson’s motion asks for a review of national parks across Scotland. ...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate my colleague Finlay Carson on securing the debate. As I come from the west of Scotland and live very near the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs n...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member give way?
Maurice Corry Con
Yes.
Kate Forbes SNP
On Loch Lomond and the Trossachs—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Kate Forbes.
Kate Forbes SNP
Sorry.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Enthusiasm is no bad thing, Ms Forbes.
Kate Forbes SNP
I am generally in favour of national parks, but one of the challenges is that, when a national park is established, house prices start to rise, which makes i...
Maurice Corry Con
Yes, it has been. There is an anachronism in the Loch Lomond and the Trossachs national park, which is that, in order to build in the national park, one has ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Like other members, I am grateful to Finlay Carson for the opportunity that the motion gives us to celebrate the success story that is Scotland’s existing na...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I begin, as is customary, by congratulating Finlay Carson on bringing the debate to the chamber. He, like Emma Harper and Claudia Beamish and me, serves on t...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Is it not the case that a light-touch national park, as other members have said, would be of value and—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Beamish, where is your microphone? Interruption.
Claudia Beamish Lab
At this time of night, I hope that I can remember what I just said.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
And you an experienced MSP.
Claudia Beamish Lab
The light-touch issue that has been highlighted by other members is important—I will leave it at that or Mr Dey will not have any of his time left.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you your time back, Mr Dey.
Graeme Dey SNP
Thank you. I get exactly where Claudia Beamish is coming from, but I point out to her that, whether it is light touch or whatever, the communities still hav...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I, too, thank my colleague Finlay Carson for securing a debate in the chamber on the important subject of establishing new national parks. As we know, Scotl...
Emma Harper SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I will, if I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you the time back.
Edward Mountain Con
In that case, I will take the intervention.
Emma Harper SNP
Graeme Dey has just made a compelling argument about the money that is involved. The Government has not made a decision yet, and the Cabinet Secretary for th...
Edward Mountain Con
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