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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 17 May 2017

17 May 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fisheries
Ewing, Fergus SNP Inverness and Nairn Watch on SPTV

That is a political assertion; it is not the reality of the matter. I have just described two examples of how, over the past year—not 30 or 40 years ago—I have sought to negotiate with George Eustice, who is a not unreasonable guy with whom I try to have a constructive relationship. On each occasion, Scotland’s interests have been betrayed. Those deals were nothing to do with the EU; they were matters entirely within the UK Government’s control.

The UK Government says that this will all change once we are outwith the EU. The Conservatives say that we will have total control, but what did George Eustice say? Back in April 2016, he said that everything would be put back on the table for discussion, including access rights. Let me quote Mr Mundell. I presume that the Conservatives support what Mr Mundell says, but I will check. He said:

“I would say the idea we would go back to a position where we were entirely in control of our own fishing is not one that is realistic.”

That is the guy whom the Conservatives want to be the secretary of state, and he says that controlling our own fishing is not a realistic scenario.

I think that my time is coming to an end. Is it too much to ask that, during the debate—if it is to be more than just knockabout—one of the Conservatives will say whether David Mundell is right? Or are they devoting this episode to the same political rhetoric and the same treachery of their track record over the past decades, which proves that they cannot be trusted with the future of Scotland?

I move amendment S5M-05603.3, to leave out from “recognises” to end and insert:

“notes that the present common fisheries policy is not delivering a sustainable fishing industry in Scotland; is disappointed at the lack of clarity from the UK Government on future funding to replace the European Maritime and Fisheries Fund (EMFF), its failure to guarantee tariff and customs-free exports to the EU single market and to provide assurances that EU nationals and their families working in the fishing sector may remain in Scotland; regrets that the UK Government’s White Paper makes clear its intention to allow EU boats access to Scotland's waters as of right, which would be detrimental to Scottish fishing interests; recognises the need to put sustainable development and a science-led, ecosystem approach at the heart of all marine and fisheries policies to create a viable future for fishing in Scottish waters to enable coastal communities and the marine environment to thrive, whatever the future holds; notes that fisheries are best managed at a level closest to citizens and communities, and agrees that all powers on fisheries should be devolved to the Scottish Parliament to enable the design of a management framework best suited to Scottish needs and the interests of Scotland’s fishing industry and sector, including through the commitment to a Fisheries Bill.”

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-05603, in the name of Peter Chapman, on fisheries. 14:38
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to debate this significant topic and highlight that we in the Conservative Party in this Parliament have a positive, forward-lookin...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Peter Chapman Con
Not at this time. The SNP, on the other hand, has nothing to offer other than more of the same. Under its plans, we would remain shackled to the common fish...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
No, no.
Peter Chapman Con
—which is seen by our fishermen as nothing short of a total disaster. The SNP wants to continue to tie us to a system that has been in force for decades—
Stewart Stevenson SNP
No.
Peter Chapman Con
It is a system that has resulted—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Just a minute, Mr Chapman. Mr Stevenson, you will be speaking later, and you will have every opportunity to make your views known.
Peter Chapman Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. It is a system that has resulted in persistent failure and has caused nothing but frustration, resentment and distress for tho...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
Given that the EU single market has 500 million people in it and is a key export market for our seafood, with seafood exports being worth £601 million, does ...
Peter Chapman Con
I totally agree. We will have access to it. Our fish is in huge demand in Europe, and the buyers want that to continue. Skippers want out of the EU and the ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Oh, come on. The Tories are obsessed with independence.
Gillian Martin SNP
Will the member give way?
Peter Chapman Con
Not at the moment. SNP members seem to be denying that they want another independence referendum. Thankfully, it looks increasingly unlikely that the SNP wo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Right—that is enough banging on tables and barracking. I want to hear a debate, not a rammy.
Peter Chapman Con
Out of touch though the SNP is with fishing communities, even it knows that rejoining the CFP would be hugely unpopular, so what does it do? It spins a line ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, Mr Chapman, but Mr Ross and the cabinet secretary are having a private debate while you are trying to speak. That is not appropriate.
Peter Chapman Con
I totally agree. That was game, set and match to Ms Leadsom, and it left Nicola Sturgeon looking desperate, misleading and downright wrong. The way forward ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I do not like all this banging on desks. Just stop doing it. 14:48
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
When we joined the EU, a Scottish Office paper was written, which remained hidden for 30 years under the UK Official Secrets Act. What the paper said was: “...
Peter Chapman Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Fergus Ewing SNP
In a moment, after I have made this point. That was the true view of the UK Government when we joined the EU: that the interests of Scotland’s fishermen were...
Peter Chapman Con
We have heard about something that happened 47 years ago, and it was not even a Government minister who said it. It is far more effective to look at what is ...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I move on to what happened after that. Let us move forward into the 1980s when, under Margaret Thatcher—Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry; please sit down for a minute, cabinet secretary. I had people be quiet for Mr Chapman, and people will be quiet for the cabinet secretary. I do n...
Fergus Ewing SNP
They can bang on the desks, but they cannot undo history. They do not have the guts to apologise for something that they must know was wrong—that is the inte...
Peter Chapman Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Fergus Ewing SNP
Was Mrs Thatcher wrong when she took us in, and was John Major wrong when he took us into a revised policy? This is another chance for Mr Chapman to apologis...
Peter Chapman Con
The cabinet secretary makes the point very well that the Conservatives want to be out of the CFP. It is the SNP that wants to keep us in there. Applause.