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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 29 March 2017

29 Mar 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education
Martin, Gillian SNP Aberdeenshire East Watch on SPTV

In my contribution, I will concentrate on the first part of the Liberal Democrat motion, which refers to inspections.

As a member of the Education and Skills Committee, I was interested in asking Education Scotland about the inspectorate when it appeared before us at the end of last year. In my mind, the main questions about inspections were about the workload and stress that they have traditionally resulted in, but we were assured by the current chief inspector, Alastair Delaney, that the method of inspections was changing, with more emphasis on support and advice on classroom practice and less of the sort of walking around with a clipboard and making judgments based on documentation and copious written evidence that we had for many years.

I must admit that I was sceptical. I know many teachers—indeed, Mr Cole-Hamilton is not the only person who is married to a teacher—and their experience of inspections has not always been positive, as was reflected in some of the submissions that we received from teachers based on historical inspections. However, when a school in my constituency has an inspection, I take it upon myself to go and speak to the headteacher about their experience, so I have some up-to-date evidence from my constituency that the inspection method is improving. Recently, two of my local primary schools underwent inspections that both headteachers said were a vastly more positive experience for the schools than inspections in the past have been. It is important that we monitor that and ensure that that is the trajectory.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
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Tavish Scott LD
Yes. There is much in that argument, although I suspect that it would be inordinately helpful to teachers the length and breadth of the country if the Deputy...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
The debate must be set in the context of our determination to improve performance in Scottish education. We have a good education system, with hard-working a...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Does the Deputy First Minister recognise the work of the Institute for Public Policy Research, which has discussed positive destinations and said that we sho...
John Swinney SNP
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Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
John Swinney made it abundantly clear last week, in responding to a poor inspection report on Argyll and Bute Council, that when it comes to improving standa...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Like Liz Smith, I have carefully studied Mr Swinney’s speech last week, in which he declared that “the status quo is not an option” in our schools. I agre...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We move to the open debate. We are extremely tight for time, so there is no leeway at all on the time limit of four minutes. 15:07
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Last night, when I discussed the topic of the motion with my wife, who is a primary school teacher of 15 years’ experience, she gave me an insight into the m...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I hear teachers say, “Leave us alone—let the curriculum bed in,” all the time. Does the member not agree that changing the governance structures of the educa...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Not when that is exactly the intervention that our teachers are asking for. The most recent example of the Government’s tendency has been the advent of nati...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must come to a close, please.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I will, Presiding Officer. This is symptomatic of the Government’s approach of measurement, meddling and micromanagement, and I am therefore quite happy to s...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
In my contribution, I will concentrate on the first part of the Liberal Democrat motion, which refers to inspections. As a member of the Education and Skill...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
From the evidence that the committee has gathered, there seems to be a disconnect between the value that headteachers place on inspections and the value that...
Gillian Martin SNP
I have heard that kind of stuff, too, and I think that it is a cultural thing. The previous inspections regime was so onerous—and I will say more about this ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Education should serve two functions: it should enrich the minds of students and prepare them for the modern workforce. My colleague Liz Smith said that rece...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in the debate—albeit briefly—and I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing the issue to the chamber. I hope that the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must close, please.
Johann Lamont Lab
That is not good enough. We know that people are trying to do their best. I believe that the proposed change in the role of Education Scotland would play a p...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Our education agencies play a vital role in ensuring that pupils get a strong education. Their performance has a real impact. As members are aware, the Educa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The last contribution in the open debate is from Fulton MacGregor. 15:28
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
First, I would like to apologise for my hoarse voice. I have had the flu that has been going around—or, as I have been told by my partner several times this ...
Johann Lamont Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Fulton MacGregor SNP
No—there is not a lot of time. My constituency contains some of the most deprived areas in Scotland, according to the Scottish index of multiple deprivation...
Johann Lamont Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I do not have time. Education Scotland already runs independently of Government, but I would support a review of the processes that are in place—as Ross Gre...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member must close.