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Meeting of the Parliament 08 February 2017

08 Feb 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Jobcentre Plus Network
Griffin, Mark Lab Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

If the Conservative Government invested in public services and got people into work, and if we had a zero unemployment rate, maybe there would be a case for closing jobcentres but, when the claimant count and the unemployment rate are still higher than they were before the crash, there is no justification for making the closures.

It is ironic that the closures will have a wider impact on local communities and job markets. The jobcentres are anchor offices in communities. When they are pulled from communities, so too is the passing trade and the service jobs that keep people fed at lunch time, bus networks running and offices cleaned. It is not just the people who rely on support from the jobcentres who will be affected; there will be wider job losses, too. At the same time, critical support networks from organisations such as Citizens Advice Scotland will be abandoned.

The Tories have said that no jobs will be lost in Scotland, but we have heard different news from the minister from the letter to the Scottish Government. I have already been contacted by constituents; non-mobile staff have contacted me to say that they are to have belated consultation and one-to-one interviews to discuss their position before April as a result of the proposals.

In a shocking display of honesty, Annie Wells has said on the record that she can neither condemn nor condone the closures. That sentiment was articulated again by Mr Tomkins today. Ruth Davidson remains in hiding, even though the issue affects her constituency. Given that communities throughout Scotland will be affected by the closures, that is simply not good enough. Ruth Davidson’s Tories need to stop trying to rebuild the economy off the backs of the poor, the sick and disabled people, and to call on the DWP to halt the plans.

The motion recalls the Smith commission agreement, which said that more should be done to devolve formal governance over the network and to explore the options for co-location. The triggering of that dialogue should have happened well before the closures of the Glasgow offices were announced. The UK Government must halt the closure plans and work with the Scottish Government to deliver co-location. With new powers over employability schemes coming to the Parliament, ministers must explore those co-location opportunities.

Labour members expect services to be free of the punitive sanctions regime and the misery that sanctions create, but we also expect services that provide high-quality and responsive local employment support to get people into the work that they want and cut through the worst effects of Tory austerity, in order to tackle poverty in Scotland. Delivering dignity and respect in those schemes does not rely solely on jobcentres, but finding ways to protect them and halt the closures would certainly contribute to that ambition.

15:14  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-03873, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the future of the Jobcentre Plus network. 14:44
The Minister for Employability and Training (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. We recently debated proposals from the United Kingdom Department for Work and Pensions to close Jobcentre Plus facilities in Sc...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will, of course, give way to Mr Tomkins, who will understand the Smith commission agreement very well, given that he was on the commission.
Adam Tomkins Con
I am not solely responsible for having written every word of the Smith commission agreement, but I thank the minister for the compliment. There is much in t...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Let me make it clear that I did not mean accepting the intervention to be a compliment to Mr Tomkins, and I am aware that he did not write the entire Smith c...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
From the day that I discovered that the DWP had plans to close a number of jobcentres—initially in Glasgow and then across Scotland more broadly—I articulate...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The member rightly talks about having a UK perspective on jobcentre closures, but does he think that Glasgow—the city that he represents—is ready for half of...
Adam Tomkins Con
I have said before that I think that all eight of the proposed Glasgow jobcentre closures should be put out to public consultation. I have made that point to...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Leaving aside the fact that I might have some issues with the statistics that Mr Tomkins used on the fall in the claimant count, does he accept that those wh...
Adam Tomkins Con
I accepted that point when we debated Mr Doris’s motion on 19 January, and I accept it now. I was about to say that, all of that said, as I said in our previ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The debate is about jobcentre closures, but Mr Tomkins is talking about police stations, which have nothing whatsoeve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms White. That was not really a point of order. I have already considered whether Mr Tomkins has moved too far away from his amendment. I understa...
Adam Tomkins Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. As I understand it, Pollokshaws police station might close, as might Saracen police station—which I think is in Bob Doris’s co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Adam Tomkins Con
Not on this occasion. It is also important to understand what is not happening with regard to jobcentres. The DWP’s proposals are about enhancing services, ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I want to pick up on the member’s point that there are no planned job losses. I accept and readily concede that I am at an advantage in having received a let...
Adam Tomkins Con
The minister has been assiduous in sharing with Glasgow MSPs and members of the Social Security Committee correspondence that he has received from UK Governm...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please sit down, Mr Greer.
Adam Tomkins Con
I asked how they knew that, because I knew that the issue of how jobcentre capacity is measured has been challenged in the House of Commons, and they told me...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in his last minute.
Adam Tomkins Con
I am in my last two seconds. The other two thirds of the building are being used by other Government departments. It illustrates the magnitude of what we ar...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The closure of 23 jobcentres that the DWP is pursuing will affect deprived communities across Scotland, from Lanarkshire and Glasgow to the Western Isles and...
Adam Tomkins Con
There are 713 jobcentres in Great Britain. I want to ensure that I have understood the Labour Party’s position. Is that position that there are no circumstan...
Mark Griffin Lab
If the Conservative Government invested in public services and got people into work, and if we had a zero unemployment rate, maybe there would be a case for ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
On Monday, Patrick Grady MP and I met single parents who will be impacted by the jobcentre closure in Maryhill. I thank the Minister for Employability and Tr...
Adam Tomkins Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Bob Doris SNP
If I have time.