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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 February 2017

08 Feb 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Jobcentre Plus Network
Griffin, Mark Lab Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

The closure of 23 jobcentres that the DWP is pursuing will affect deprived communities across Scotland, from Lanarkshire and Glasgow to the Western Isles and the Highlands. Labour members will support the Government motion, because we agree that the closures must be halted and because the UK and Scottish Governments must find a way forward.

Since December, Glasgow Labour has worked hand in hand with its SNP counterparts to fight the proposals. Eight jobcentres in Glasgow—half the number in the city—are up for closure, and the parties have been working together for the sake of people who are desperately looking to exercise their right to work and who need their jobcentre’s support to do that.

Now that the same challenge is extending across the country, I hope that all parties and all party leaders will join the call today for the DWP to halt the closures. Ruth Davidson must break her silence on the closure of the jobcentre in her Edinburgh constituency and on the massive impact that the closures will have on the Glasgow region, which she vacated, and on wider Scotland.

At a time when the Tories are cutting social security and hitting low-paid workers with sanctions, and when 139,000 people in Scotland are out of work, the proposals are reckless at best and utterly perverse at worst. It is completely counterproductive for the UK Government to close so many jobcentres.

The Tory spin that is used to justify the Glasgow cuts is shocking and masks the true harm that the closures will inflict on Scotland’s communities. The claimant count in the city is down by 44 per cent, as the Tories pointed out last month and have pointed out again today, but they choose to overlook the fact that the count across Scotland remains 14 per cent higher than it was before the financial crash. In fact, the number of economically inactive people who would still like a job stands at 190,000, which is 5 per cent higher than the figure before the crash.

The claimant count does not give the whole picture. As the Public and Commercial Services Union has pointed out, the effect of welfare reform is that too many people are falling between the cracks. Digitalisation, sanctions and mandatory reconsideration mean that fewer people are claiming the entitlements that they deserve.

It is astonishing that £2 billion in social security payments goes unclaimed in Scotland each year. Jobseekers allowance and employment and support allowance make up almost £600 million of that. Given the difficulty that people face in just making a claim, that number will keep increasing unless the closures are halted.

One Parent Families Scotland and Inclusion Scotland have stressed the fears that lone parents and disabled people have because of the closures. They fear increased travel times, which will risk lateness and the threat of sanctions; £4.50 bus tickets, which are unaffordable, or having to get taxis for longer journeys; and dealing with childcare arrangements. All that is added to the stress of meeting DWP demands in order to avoid sanctions.

PCS has highlighted the value of the local labour market knowledge that is set to be lost at Easterhouse jobcentre. In such a deprived area, staff knowledge of local employers means that employment support is provided that helps people to find local, accessible work rather than work that is several bus journeys away.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-03873, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the future of the Jobcentre Plus network. 14:44
The Minister for Employability and Training (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. We recently debated proposals from the United Kingdom Department for Work and Pensions to close Jobcentre Plus facilities in Sc...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will, of course, give way to Mr Tomkins, who will understand the Smith commission agreement very well, given that he was on the commission.
Adam Tomkins Con
I am not solely responsible for having written every word of the Smith commission agreement, but I thank the minister for the compliment. There is much in t...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Let me make it clear that I did not mean accepting the intervention to be a compliment to Mr Tomkins, and I am aware that he did not write the entire Smith c...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
From the day that I discovered that the DWP had plans to close a number of jobcentres—initially in Glasgow and then across Scotland more broadly—I articulate...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The member rightly talks about having a UK perspective on jobcentre closures, but does he think that Glasgow—the city that he represents—is ready for half of...
Adam Tomkins Con
I have said before that I think that all eight of the proposed Glasgow jobcentre closures should be put out to public consultation. I have made that point to...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Leaving aside the fact that I might have some issues with the statistics that Mr Tomkins used on the fall in the claimant count, does he accept that those wh...
Adam Tomkins Con
I accepted that point when we debated Mr Doris’s motion on 19 January, and I accept it now. I was about to say that, all of that said, as I said in our previ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The debate is about jobcentre closures, but Mr Tomkins is talking about police stations, which have nothing whatsoeve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms White. That was not really a point of order. I have already considered whether Mr Tomkins has moved too far away from his amendment. I understa...
Adam Tomkins Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. As I understand it, Pollokshaws police station might close, as might Saracen police station—which I think is in Bob Doris’s co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Adam Tomkins Con
Not on this occasion. It is also important to understand what is not happening with regard to jobcentres. The DWP’s proposals are about enhancing services, ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I want to pick up on the member’s point that there are no planned job losses. I accept and readily concede that I am at an advantage in having received a let...
Adam Tomkins Con
The minister has been assiduous in sharing with Glasgow MSPs and members of the Social Security Committee correspondence that he has received from UK Governm...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please sit down, Mr Greer.
Adam Tomkins Con
I asked how they knew that, because I knew that the issue of how jobcentre capacity is measured has been challenged in the House of Commons, and they told me...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in his last minute.
Adam Tomkins Con
I am in my last two seconds. The other two thirds of the building are being used by other Government departments. It illustrates the magnitude of what we ar...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The closure of 23 jobcentres that the DWP is pursuing will affect deprived communities across Scotland, from Lanarkshire and Glasgow to the Western Isles and...
Adam Tomkins Con
There are 713 jobcentres in Great Britain. I want to ensure that I have understood the Labour Party’s position. Is that position that there are no circumstan...
Mark Griffin Lab
If the Conservative Government invested in public services and got people into work, and if we had a zero unemployment rate, maybe there would be a case for ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
On Monday, Patrick Grady MP and I met single parents who will be impacted by the jobcentre closure in Maryhill. I thank the Minister for Employability and Tr...
Adam Tomkins Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Bob Doris SNP
If I have time.