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Meeting of the Parliament 08 February 2017

08 Feb 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Jobcentre Plus Network

I am in my last two seconds.

The other two thirds of the building are being used by other Government departments. It illustrates the magnitude of what we are talking about, which is about redesigning jobcentres to be more effective instead of cutting services. If we held that in our minds, perhaps we would understand the proposals a bit more clearly.

Finally, as the minister knows, I am all in favour of co-location and linking devolved employability services and the like with Jobcentre Plus; indeed, I want more, not less joined-up working between the UK Government and the Scottish Government. I also fully accept what he said about two-way streets for communication and having dialogue rather than monologue on this score.

However, the fact is that, as our amendment makes clear, this is a two-way process, and the minister, for all his protestations to the contrary, has been—if I may say so—remarkably reticent in coming forward with concrete proposals as to how either Skills Development Scotland or the proposed new Scottish social security agency could in practice co-locate or link with existing Jobcentre Plus provision. Instead of shouting from the rooftops, a little more maturity might have realised better results.

I move amendment S5M-03873.1, to leave out from “will have” to end and insert:

“may have on people and communities; calls on the DWP to provide more detail on the timing and scope of these closures, alongside equality impact assessments; believes that the terms of paragraph 58 of the Smith Commission Agreement, which sets out that ‘the UK and Scottish Government will identify ways to further link services through methods such as co-location wherever possible and establish more formal mechanisms to govern the Jobcentre Plus network in Scotland’ should have triggered more meaningful dialogue between the DWP and the Scottish Government; recognises that such dialogue is a two-way process, and calls on the Scottish Government to make plain its proposals as to how Skills Development Scotland or the proposed Scottish social security agency could co-locate or otherwise link with the existing Jobcentre Plus network.”

15:07  
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-03873, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the future of the Jobcentre Plus network. 14:44
The Minister for Employability and Training (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. We recently debated proposals from the United Kingdom Department for Work and Pensions to close Jobcentre Plus facilities in Sc...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I will, of course, give way to Mr Tomkins, who will understand the Smith commission agreement very well, given that he was on the commission.
Adam Tomkins Con
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
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Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Adam Tomkins Con
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
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Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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Adam Tomkins Con
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Adam Tomkins Con
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Adam Tomkins Con
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please sit down, Mr Greer.
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Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in his last minute.
Adam Tomkins Con
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Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Adam Tomkins Con
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
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Adam Tomkins Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Bob Doris SNP
If I have time.