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Meeting of the Parliament 07 February 2017

07 Feb 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Withdrawal from the European Union (Article 50)
Macdonald, Lewis Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I will certainly discuss Westminster in a moment. I am sure that Mr Rennie will want to reflect on how effective his colleagues there are being as well.

After 60 years of Britain growing closer to Europe, we now have a Government that is determined to go in the opposite direction. Theresa May would rather hold hands with Donald Trump than work hand in glove with Angela Merkel. That much is clear, but there remain too many unanswered questions—too many ways in which a reckless and irresponsible approach could yet turn a difficult business into a disaster. Our responsibility in the Scottish Parliament is to say whether we believe that UK ministers have done enough to go to Europe and negotiate on our behalf, and our answer must be that they have not.

This week, Labour is promoting a raft of amendments to the article 50 bill at Westminster; some have already been voted on and others are up for decision over the next couple of days. The amendments set out what Labour believes are the broad principles that UK ministers should follow in negotiations: maintaining a stable and sustainable economy; preserving peace in Northern Ireland; achieving trading arrangements with the EU that are free of tariffs and non-tariff barriers, with no further regulatory burdens; laying a basis for co-operation with Europe in education, science and research, environmental protection and the fight against serious and organised crime and terrorism; and maintaining existing social, economic, consumer and workers’ rights.

Also, as we highlight in our amendment, UK ministers should consult the Scottish Government and other devolved Administrations in a serious and meaningful way, and Scottish ministers should work with other Administrations to influence the process and the outcomes. The white paper offers no more than a wish list for achieving any of those wider objectives, and it shows little sign of taking on board the views of the other Administrations within the UK.

As the minister acknowledged, we in this place have no veto on article 50, but we do have a right and a duty to speak on behalf of those we seek to represent. We should therefore say that we do not endorse Mrs May’s proposals and that she should not proceed until she has demonstrated that she has a clear strategy for achieving the right outcomes from the negotiations that will follow.

There are other things that Mrs May could do now, even before those negotiations begin. Yesterday, I met parent representatives at St Peter’s school in Aberdeen, which has many pupils from countries both within and beyond the European Union. I heard directly about the insecurity that many of those families feel and their uncertainty about the choices that they have made to live in this country and about their children’s future. Theresa May could help with that right now. She could follow the advice of the Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Relations Committee in its report this week and

“provide clarity on the position of EU and EEA EFTA citizens living in the UK without further delay.”

That would make our constituents feel secure again. It would also let our European friends and neighbours know—in advance of the negotiations—that we will not make their citizens suffer because of a decision that our citizens have made.

Theresa May could also do what her party declined to do in the House of Commons last night and commit to seeking a consensus with the devolved Administrations on the terms of withdrawal and the framework for our future relationship with the European Union. That would not give anyone a veto—the constitutional position is clear—but committing to seek a consensus would show a degree of willingness to look beyond the inner circles of the Conservative Cabinet, which so far has been sadly lacking.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-03858, in the name of Michael Russell, on article 50. 14:23
The Minister for UK Negotiations on Scotland’s Place in Europe (Michael Russell) SNP
As the First Minister has indicated, this debate on article 50 will culminate in “one of the most significant votes in the history of the Scottish Parliamen...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Only a narrow majority across the UK as a whole voted to leave. Is it not clear that, given that many leave campaigners were explicitly saying that the UK wo...
Michael Russell SNP
The member is absolutely right. Indeed, the leave campaign was disingenuous on many points, including on the repatriation of powers. I will come to that. On...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I am happy to speak in today’s debate on the triggering of article 50 and to move the amendment in my name. But, Presiding Officer, I am somewhat surprised t...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Was the Scottish Government wrong to publish its compromise views? Can Mr Lamont, for all the meetings that there have been, tell us of a single, however tri...
John Lamont Con
I might have read a different document to that read by Mr Stevenson but I can see no compromise in the SNP’s position. The SNP is obsessed with stoking up th...
Michael Russell SNP
It is very important to nail that misapprehension immediately. It is absolutely clear that the proposals in “Scotland’s Place in Europe” do not require Scotl...
John Lamont Con
Mr Russell clearly does not understand how the internal market works, because any member of the internal market has to accept the free movement of workers. H...
Michael Russell SNP
Will the member give way?
John Lamont Con
No. I have heard enough from Mr Russell. That is why I hope that all parties who believe in the UK will support the amendment in my name, which urges the Sc...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
When Theresa May invokes article 50 and gives notice of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union, we will have reached a sombre moment in our shared his...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Lewis Macdonald for giving way. Can he tell us how his party at Westminster is getting on with challenging that?
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I will certainly discuss Westminster in a moment. I am sure that Mr Rennie will want to reflect on how effective his colleagues there are being as well. Aft...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I want to follow up on the point that Mr Macdonald has just made. If he can see the advantages and benefits of the United Kingdom Government coming to some f...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
Those on the Conservative benches have to speak for themselves, and no doubt we will hear more from them shortly. Clearly, however, there is a need for peopl...
Michael Russell SNP
For the avoidance of doubt, I will repeat what I said in my speech. We continue to negotiate constructively and positively—or to attempt to do so—on the basi...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I recognise what Mr Russell says, but the truth is that Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP Government are keeping the threat of an independence referendum on the ta...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
As our Conservative colleagues are always keen to remind us, we have debated a number of aspects of Brexit in the Parliament in recent months. Just a few wee...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
The UK Parliament’s definition of a white paper is that it is a policy document that is produced before legislation. Is the document a white paper at all?
Ross Greer Green
Mr Stevenson is right. What the UK Government has published is nothing approaching the definition of a white paper. It certainly has nothing approaching the ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Are people away with the fairies when they think that an independent Scotland could be set up in a similar timescale?
Ross Greer Green
As I am sure Mr Findlay is aware, the Greens were openly sceptical about the timescale that the Scottish Government set out in 2014. We believe in independen...
Neil Findlay Lab
If the inaccuracy was on the part of his friends in the SNP on the timescale that it would take to set up an independent Scotland, what do the magnificent Gr...
Ross Greer Green
Unfortunately, we did not have the resources of a Government behind us, and we estimated that the time would be a couple of years. We did not put a hard time...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Come to a close, please.
Ross Greer Green
—and we will likely have to choose one future or another. I move amendment S5M-03858.2, to insert at end: “; notes the widespread scepticism that an agreem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That ending was a happy coincidence, Mr Greer. 15:06
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Today’s debate is marked by omission, irony and confusion. Interruption. The SNP motion is significant in what it does not say. In fact, the minister was ver...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am sensing that Willie Rennie is about to explain how his party can provide us with clarity. Before he does that, can he tell us how many different ways hi...