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Meeting of the Parliament 07 February 2017

07 Feb 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Withdrawal from the European Union (Article 50)

As the First Minister has indicated, this debate on article 50 will culminate in

“one of the most significant votes in the history of the Scottish Parliament since devolution.”

If the debate were to require extra time, I am sure that we would all wish to give it that.

I am sure that I need not remind MSPs that, on 23 June last year, the people of Scotland voted clearly and decisively to remain in the European Union. That is also how Scottish MPs voted when the issue was debated in the House of Commons last week. Only one of the 59 Scottish MPs defied the wish of the majority in the country and in every local authority area, and chose to support taking Scotland out of the EU against its will.

This debate in Scotland’s Parliament gives MSPs the opportunity to speak loudly and clearly to reaffirm the vote that was so conclusive last year and to say to the United Kingdom, Europe and the world that we oppose the catastrophic hard Brexit that the Tories at Westminster are now pursuing. It has never been the case that the Scottish Parliament or any of the devolved legislatures had a veto over Brexit, but this vote is more than symbolic: it is a key test of whether Scotland’s voice is being listened to and whether our wishes can be accommodated in the UK process.

Before she became Prime Minister, Theresa May set out her view of the future of the United Kingdom:

“A future in which Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England continue to flourish side-by-side as equal partners.
Different and proud to be so.
Outward not inward.”

Those were her words.

Once she was Prime Minister, Theresa May promised that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would be “fully engaged” and “fully involved” in considering—and agreeing—a common UK approach to triggering article 50.

The Scottish Government took those promises at face value. We worked long and hard to deliver—and to table in the formal UK structures—compromise proposals, showing how we can keep our place in the single market. We put those proposals before this chamber and received clear majority support for our approach. We have sought to initiate constructive consideration of those proposals, with the aim of securing a common UK approach.

We are still taking that approach. We have taken part in meeting after meeting at official, ministerial and head of Government level. So far, the UK Government has not offered a single compromise of its own. In fact, it has offered nothing—neither a formal reaction to our proposals, nor a formal rejection of them.

Accordingly, what underlies the formal substance of the motion today about a technical measure in a European treaty is a debate about democracy itself. It is a debate about how democracy should work in these islands; it is a debate about the country that the United Kingdom is becoming and the country that we in Scotland wish to be. The contrast between those countries is stark. Theresa May’s hard Brexit will lead to a hard Britain—a Britain out of the single market—with cutting immigration and enforcing borders prioritised above all else. Living standards, the economy and how the UK is seen across the world will all play second fiddle to those obsessions.

If Theresa May fails to succeed in her negotiations with the other 27 nations, she will set her country—and our country—on a race to the bottom on tax, working conditions, regulation and wages. She has said as much, to enthusiastic applause by Nigel Farage. Everyone should let that sink in, especially those on the Tory benches, who are becoming apologists for a hard, isolated Brexit and a hard, isolated Britain—just what the United Kingdom Independence Party wanted.

Of course I accept that there is a majority for leave in England and Wales, but I do not accept that there is a majority anywhere in these islands for such a narrow and regressive vision. There is certainly no such majority in Scotland, where the people—by a margin of 24 percentage points—voted to remain in the EU.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-03858, in the name of Michael Russell, on article 50. 14:23
The Minister for UK Negotiations on Scotland’s Place in Europe (Michael Russell) SNP
As the First Minister has indicated, this debate on article 50 will culminate in “one of the most significant votes in the history of the Scottish Parliamen...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Only a narrow majority across the UK as a whole voted to leave. Is it not clear that, given that many leave campaigners were explicitly saying that the UK wo...
Michael Russell SNP
The member is absolutely right. Indeed, the leave campaign was disingenuous on many points, including on the repatriation of powers. I will come to that. On...
John Lamont (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I am happy to speak in today’s debate on the triggering of article 50 and to move the amendment in my name. But, Presiding Officer, I am somewhat surprised t...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Was the Scottish Government wrong to publish its compromise views? Can Mr Lamont, for all the meetings that there have been, tell us of a single, however tri...
John Lamont Con
I might have read a different document to that read by Mr Stevenson but I can see no compromise in the SNP’s position. The SNP is obsessed with stoking up th...
Michael Russell SNP
It is very important to nail that misapprehension immediately. It is absolutely clear that the proposals in “Scotland’s Place in Europe” do not require Scotl...
John Lamont Con
Mr Russell clearly does not understand how the internal market works, because any member of the internal market has to accept the free movement of workers. H...
Michael Russell SNP
Will the member give way?
John Lamont Con
No. I have heard enough from Mr Russell. That is why I hope that all parties who believe in the UK will support the amendment in my name, which urges the Sc...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
When Theresa May invokes article 50 and gives notice of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union, we will have reached a sombre moment in our shared his...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Lewis Macdonald for giving way. Can he tell us how his party at Westminster is getting on with challenging that?
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I will certainly discuss Westminster in a moment. I am sure that Mr Rennie will want to reflect on how effective his colleagues there are being as well. Aft...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I want to follow up on the point that Mr Macdonald has just made. If he can see the advantages and benefits of the United Kingdom Government coming to some f...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
Those on the Conservative benches have to speak for themselves, and no doubt we will hear more from them shortly. Clearly, however, there is a need for peopl...
Michael Russell SNP
For the avoidance of doubt, I will repeat what I said in my speech. We continue to negotiate constructively and positively—or to attempt to do so—on the basi...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I recognise what Mr Russell says, but the truth is that Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP Government are keeping the threat of an independence referendum on the ta...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
As our Conservative colleagues are always keen to remind us, we have debated a number of aspects of Brexit in the Parliament in recent months. Just a few wee...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
The UK Parliament’s definition of a white paper is that it is a policy document that is produced before legislation. Is the document a white paper at all?
Ross Greer Green
Mr Stevenson is right. What the UK Government has published is nothing approaching the definition of a white paper. It certainly has nothing approaching the ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Are people away with the fairies when they think that an independent Scotland could be set up in a similar timescale?
Ross Greer Green
As I am sure Mr Findlay is aware, the Greens were openly sceptical about the timescale that the Scottish Government set out in 2014. We believe in independen...
Neil Findlay Lab
If the inaccuracy was on the part of his friends in the SNP on the timescale that it would take to set up an independent Scotland, what do the magnificent Gr...
Ross Greer Green
Unfortunately, we did not have the resources of a Government behind us, and we estimated that the time would be a couple of years. We did not put a hard time...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Come to a close, please.
Ross Greer Green
—and we will likely have to choose one future or another. I move amendment S5M-03858.2, to insert at end: “; notes the widespread scepticism that an agreem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That ending was a happy coincidence, Mr Greer. 15:06
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Today’s debate is marked by omission, irony and confusion. Interruption. The SNP motion is significant in what it does not say. In fact, the minister was ver...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am sensing that Willie Rennie is about to explain how his party can provide us with clarity. Before he does that, can he tell us how many different ways hi...