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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 21 December 2016

21 Dec 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Premature Babies (Maternity and Paternity Leave)
Finnie, John Green Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I thank the various groups who supplied briefings for the debate for those and for the outstanding support that they provide, which members have mentioned. I congratulate my colleague Alison Johnstone on securing the debate.

In a previous life, I was involved in dealing with the terms and conditions of police officers, which included maternity and paternity leave, in relation to which we had to put into practice hard-fought-for terms and conditions. It was a very male-dominated environment, particular in the senior ranks, and implementing the changes required a sizeable change in attitudes.

To this day, terms and conditions can be regarded as politically correct, trendy or downright frivolous, but many things that were regarded in that way in the past are now mainstream, such as those in relation to protected duties and reasonable adjustments. Things are far from perfect, but there has been progress in the past few decades, which I hope continues.

It is important that knowledge and understanding go hand in hand with such progress. Parents of premature babies are not entitled to additional maternity or paternity leave. Donald Cameron set out what parents are entitled to, but the significant point is that there are additional burdens and pressures on parents of premature babies, and the commendable proposal that is being considered at Westminster is for additional leave entitlement.

Dads are currently entitled to two weeks’ paternity leave. Any objective assessment of the impact of the Maternity and Paternity Leave (Premature Birth) Bill, if it were to be passed, would demonstrate that the beneficiaries would be not just the mothers, the fathers and the babies but the siblings, all of whom will require physical, psychological and social support. It is also the case that the approach would benefit employers—not that that is how I view the issue.

Many of the problems of delivering healthcare are compounded by rurality, and the proposed approach would go some way towards offsetting some of the challenges in that regard—I accept that there are challenges regardless of geography.

Scotland rightly lauds the importance that it accords child development. I hope that the bill will be supported for the right reason: in the interests of the wellbeing of parents and premature children. All the evidence is that a positive approach to terms and conditions reaps benefits for everyone, including progressive employers.

There is talk of the future introduction of shared parental leave and what that will mean. The approach will bring challenges. I agree that Scotland needs to listen to the clear message that campaigners are sending and find person-specific alternatives. We forget at our peril that the parents whom we are dealing with are individuals with individual circumstances and support needs. We can improve the law for the parents of not just premature babies but all babies in neonatal care.

I was reassured to hear Donald Cameron say that he will share the content of this debate with colleagues. That is important. Until he said that, I was very ready to intervene to ask what his position is. It is positive that members are making suggestions.

When I was researching the topic for this debate, I found an article from The Guardian entitled, “Mothers of premature babies also need care—as I know too well”. The article was written last year by Joanna Moorhead, who concluded by saying:

“It’s not the time to fall apart, and a little bit of support can make all the difference.”

The proposed measure could help many people, and I commend Alison Johnstone for bringing it to our attention today.

15:09  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-03029, in the name of Alison Johnstone, on extending maternity and paternity leave for ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am very glad to have the opportunity to lead this debate. I thank Catriona Ogilvy and Karen Stirrat, whose campaigns and petitions have gathered so much su...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Alison Johnstone on bringing this debate to the chamber and, of course, I commend Catriona Ogilvy for launching her Smallest Things campaign a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Gibson. I think I heard the sound of a naughty mobile phone, but it has no doubt gone away. 14:56
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I warmly welcome the opportunity to contribute to the debate. I thank Alison Johnstone for lodging the motion for a members’ business debate. As a father of...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Alison Johnstone for lodging her motion and so paving the way for this important debate. It is often said that the measure of a society is how it tr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes—you must conclude, I am afraid. You have gone over four minutes.
Richard Leonard Lab
Okay. Thank you. 15:05
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I thank the various groups who supplied briefings for the debate for those and for the outstanding support that they provide, which members have mentioned. I...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I congratulate Alison Johnstone on securing today’s debate, in which I am pleased to take part. I commend the excellent work of the staff of Bliss Scotland,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Briggs. Mr Balfour—I can give you two minutes, if that is all right. That is all the time I have left. 15:12
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank Alison Johnstone for her speech. I want to make just a few brief comments, as someone who has experienced here in Edinburgh the care that we have bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much, Mr Balfour. I am glad that I managed to fit you in. Jamie Hepburn will respond for the Government. 15:15
The Minister for Employability and Training (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I join other members in thanking Alison Johnstone for securing the debate. I also thank members who have spoken in the debate and people in the gallery who h...
Alison Johnstone Green
I appreciate that it is a reserved matter, but for the sake of absolute clarity, does the minister agree that, as a matter of equity, maternity leave and pay...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
That is not our area of responsibility, but I believe that it should be. I have already said that we will be looking very closely at the legislation that is ...