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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 14 December 2016

14 Dec 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Taxation
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I am so disappointed in Willie Rennie’s approach to the debate. I remember those heady days when Tavish Scott led the Liberal Democrats and Mike Rumbles went into the budget negotiation with John Swinney clutching a piece of paper demanding a 2 per cent cut in income tax. What a shame that, under Willie Rennie, the Liberal Democrats have lurched to the left and are now demanding an increase in tax instead of a cut, as Mr Rumbles demanded all those years ago.

The SNP’s plan seems to be to hit Scotland with a £1 billion surcharge on families and businesses, which will make Scotland the highest-taxed part of the United Kingdom over the next four years. Next year alone, the nationalists’ decisions will add an extra £212 million on to the country’s tax burden—a figure that will increase in every year until 2020-21.

As I have said, the UK Government is already on track to double the personal allowance for income tax, which will lift millions out of paying income tax altogether, and help the lowest-paid people. However, the SNP wants to see taxpayers in Scotland being hit with higher charges than exist in the rest of the United Kingdom. Because of the interaction with national insurance, the marginal rate on Scottish workers who earn just above the higher-rate threshold will become 52 per cent of their income, which will create a clear tax differential with the rest of the United Kingdom.

The SNP’s approach might have been understandable if the change in personal taxation were to raise hundreds of millions of pounds. However, in the first year of its operation, the likely maximum sum that will be raised is just £130 million. Is it really worth—for that sum of money—sending out the message that Scotland is an expensive place to live, work and do business in? Is it really worth making Scotland the highest-taxed part of the United Kingdom?

We have heard Scottish businesses’ concern that they will, in order to compensate for the higher tax rates, have to pay a Scottish supplement to attract the best talent. The same must surely apply in our public services. Already, the national health service in Scotland is in competition with the NHS down south for top consultants, and our universities are in competition with universities down south for top academics. What assessment has the Scottish Government made of the additional cost to the public sector from the tax rises? The reality is that they will raise very little money and are likely to do substantial damage to the economy.

It is not just on personal taxation that the SNP has got it wrong. Its doubling of the large business supplement applies to all properties that have a rateable value above £35,000, which means that many relatively modest retail premises will be affected. It is also having an impact on the economy. In September, 13 Scottish business leaders wrote to the finance secretary calling for the Scottish Government to level the playing field with England. It is no wonder that we have seen retail businesses such as McEwens of Perth and McAree Brothers in Stirling closing their doors, with the tax burden being a key factor.

What is so strange about the SNP’s approach to taxation is that it is such a departure from what we have heard from the party in the past. Members who were here in previous sessions will recall the then First Minister, Alex Salmond, lecturing us week after week on the benefits of the Laffer curve and telling us that cutting taxes would lead to higher tax revenues. For more than a decade, the Laffer curve was the central tenet of SNP economic theory, but now the SNP is reduced to the extent that we have a finance secretary who says that he has never even heard of the Laffer curve. Where was Derek Mackay when all the rest of us were sitting here being bored rigid by his former boss? Why was he not paying attention?

For years, the SNP told us that corporation tax should be cut in order to grow the economy and SNP members—including John Mason—stood on manifesto commitments to cut corporation tax. Furthermore, the only substantial tax change that was contained in the 2014 white paper “Scotland’s Future: Your Guide to an Independent Scotland” was a cut to corporation tax. We were told that that was the way to grow the economy and tax revenues. Now, the SNP has done a spectacular U-turn in its approach to taxation.

Bizarrely, the SNP is still committed to a tax cut. It wants to cut air passenger duty—a policy on which we are happy to work with the SNP in order to deliver it. However, the argument for cutting APD—that it will generate economic growth and tax revenues elsewhere in the economy—surely applies to other taxes. Why is the logic of that lost on the finance secretary?

Even the First Minister’s hand-picked chair of the SNP’s new growth commission—our erstwhile colleague in Parliament, Andrew Wilson—gets it. He understands that the way to increase tax revenue is to increase the number of high-earning taxpayers. It was Andrew Wilson who, at the weekend, cited the excellent example of the land and buildings transactions tax. When residential LBTT was introduced, it was supposed to be revenue neutral, but the tax take in the first year was £32 million lower than expected. Why? It was because the then Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth, John Swinney, was too greedy. He hiked the rates at the upper end too much, which caused a slowdown in the market. As a result, the tax take was less than it should have been. Andrew Wilson, the SNP’s one-time economic spokesman, gets it and Alex Salmond, when he was First Minister, got it. Now, under Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP has lurched to the left and is determined to hike taxes on hard-working Scottish families and businesses. The result will not be higher tax revenues, but an underperforming Scottish economy and a shrinking tax base.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item is a debate on motion S5M-03063, in the name of Murdo Fraser, on taxation. 14:40
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Tomorrow, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution will deliver an historic budget. It will be historic not just because it will be the first b...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Murdo Fraser talks about gaps. Does he accept that we are talking about two separate things: the economy and taxation? Is he not concerned about the gap betw...
Murdo Fraser Con
There is a certain irony in that intervention from John Mason. During the independence referendum, Mr Mason and I did perhaps 30 debates around the country w...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I am grateful to Murdo Fraser for giving way to someone who never endorsed what was in the SNP’s white paper. The UK Government has just made tax changes to...
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Harvie is being ungenerous. He will know well that the measures that are being taken by the UK Government to more than double the threshold for income tax...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will Mr Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. I need to make some progress. I will give way later, if I have time. Let us look ahead to the Scottish Government’s budget. Roughly half the total funds...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Will Murdo Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I have not taken an intervention from the Liberal Democrats yet, so I will give way.
Willie Rennie LD
Murdo Fraser seems to have ignored the real benefit of boosting skills in Scottish society in order to boost the economy. He seems to think that tax is the o...
Murdo Fraser Con
I am so disappointed in Willie Rennie’s approach to the debate. I remember those heady days when Tavish Scott led the Liberal Democrats and Mike Rumbles went...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will Murdo Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I have not taken a Labour intervention, so I happily give way to Mr Findlay.
Neil Findlay Lab
If Murdo Fraser genuinely believes what he is saying, a way to spread the wealth would be to have more people with high-paid jobs to pay the higher taxes. Wh...
Murdo Fraser Con
I am so disappointed in Neil Findlay’s intervention. I have been following the debate at Westminster very closely. Even Jeremy Corbyn, and John McDonnell, th...
The Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
As my colleague the finance secretary has made clear previously in this chamber, the Scottish Government will confirm its tax proposals in its draft budget, ...
Willie Rennie LD
The minister is rightly parading the new powers that are coming to the Scottish Parliament, but why is his Government increasing the unfair council tax that ...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I will turn to council tax later, and I hope that Willie Rennie will pick up on those points. Income tax alone will account for the funding of more than a t...
Murdo Fraser Con
Will the minister give way?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am running short of time, but if the Presiding Officer allows some time for interventions, that will be gratefully received.
Murdo Fraser Con
I am very grateful to the minister for giving way. Does the minister agree with the basic proposition that has been set out by the former First Minister, Al...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am trying to set out our understanding of that very point. By using the package of tax and revenues across the Scottish economy, we can have a more competi...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am struggling for time now. I ask the member to be brief, please.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will be very brief. Will the minister reflect on the very first recommendation of the commission that he referred to, which was to abolish the council tax?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Our reforms will protect household incomes, make local taxation fairer and ensure that local authorities continue to be properly funded, as I said. After tho...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to talk about tax this afternoon. I thank the Tories for bringing the debate to the chamber. I also thank them for the simplicity o...