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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 14 December 2016

14 Dec 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Taxation
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

Tomorrow, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution will deliver an historic budget. It will be historic not just because it will be the first budget to be delivered by the current finance secretary, but because the Scottish Parliament, for the first time, will use substantial new tax powers. It will be able, as never before, to vary the rates and bands of income tax. That is in addition to control over land and buildings transaction tax, over the aggregates levy and over business rates.

In advance of the budget statement, the Scottish Conservatives have a very clear message: we do not believe that families and businesses in Scotland should be taxed more highly than those elsewhere in the United Kingdom. It is time for the Scottish National Party to take its hands out of the pockets of hard-working Scottish taxpayers and to concentrate instead on measures that will grow the economy and therefore grow the tax base. That is how we will create a more successful and prosperous Scotland, and how we will raise the funds that are necessary for our vital public services—not by hiking taxes and making Scotland uncompetitive.

The backdrop to the debate is Scotland’s economic underperformance. I hardly need remind members about the extent to which the Scottish economy has lagged behind that of the rest of the United Kingdom. Despite there having been a shallower recession in Scotland, its economic recovery has been weaker than the UK’s, and economic growth in real terms has lagged behind that of the UK since the fourth quarter of 2009.

Today’s unemployment statistics tell us that unemployment is higher in Scotland than it is in the rest of the UK, and is rising when it is falling elsewhere. Economic activity is lower, productivity is lower and business confidence is lower—now it is at its lowest point since the 2008 recession. Overall, out of 30 economic indicators, the Scottish economy lags behind that of the UK on 25.

The prospects look little better. Last week, the EY ITEM club published its forecast for Scottish economic growth, which suggests that in the year ahead it will lag substantially behind that of rest of the UK. Only yesterday, we had the latest economic commentary from the widely respected Fraser of Allander institute, which states that Scotland’s recent growth rate has been just one third that of the UK, that growth will remain below trend and that unemployment is likely to rise. That is even before we consider the consequences—positive or negative—of Brexit.

The reason why all this matters in the context of the Scottish Government’s budget tomorrow is stated clearly in yesterday’s Fraser of Allander report. It says:

“With new tax powers coming on-stream in April, it is vital that the gap with the UK is closed.”

That is absolutely right because, from April, the performance of the Scottish economy will determine the overall size of the Scottish Government’s budget.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item is a debate on motion S5M-03063, in the name of Murdo Fraser, on taxation. 14:40
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Tomorrow, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution will deliver an historic budget. It will be historic not just because it will be the first b...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Murdo Fraser talks about gaps. Does he accept that we are talking about two separate things: the economy and taxation? Is he not concerned about the gap betw...
Murdo Fraser Con
There is a certain irony in that intervention from John Mason. During the independence referendum, Mr Mason and I did perhaps 30 debates around the country w...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I am grateful to Murdo Fraser for giving way to someone who never endorsed what was in the SNP’s white paper. The UK Government has just made tax changes to...
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Harvie is being ungenerous. He will know well that the measures that are being taken by the UK Government to more than double the threshold for income tax...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will Mr Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
No. I need to make some progress. I will give way later, if I have time. Let us look ahead to the Scottish Government’s budget. Roughly half the total funds...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Will Murdo Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I have not taken an intervention from the Liberal Democrats yet, so I will give way.
Willie Rennie LD
Murdo Fraser seems to have ignored the real benefit of boosting skills in Scottish society in order to boost the economy. He seems to think that tax is the o...
Murdo Fraser Con
I am so disappointed in Willie Rennie’s approach to the debate. I remember those heady days when Tavish Scott led the Liberal Democrats and Mike Rumbles went...
Neil Findlay Lab
Will Murdo Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I have not taken a Labour intervention, so I happily give way to Mr Findlay.
Neil Findlay Lab
If Murdo Fraser genuinely believes what he is saying, a way to spread the wealth would be to have more people with high-paid jobs to pay the higher taxes. Wh...
Murdo Fraser Con
I am so disappointed in Neil Findlay’s intervention. I have been following the debate at Westminster very closely. Even Jeremy Corbyn, and John McDonnell, th...
The Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
As my colleague the finance secretary has made clear previously in this chamber, the Scottish Government will confirm its tax proposals in its draft budget, ...
Willie Rennie LD
The minister is rightly parading the new powers that are coming to the Scottish Parliament, but why is his Government increasing the unfair council tax that ...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I will turn to council tax later, and I hope that Willie Rennie will pick up on those points. Income tax alone will account for the funding of more than a t...
Murdo Fraser Con
Will the minister give way?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am running short of time, but if the Presiding Officer allows some time for interventions, that will be gratefully received.
Murdo Fraser Con
I am very grateful to the minister for giving way. Does the minister agree with the basic proposition that has been set out by the former First Minister, Al...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am trying to set out our understanding of that very point. By using the package of tax and revenues across the Scottish economy, we can have a more competi...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am struggling for time now. I ask the member to be brief, please.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will be very brief. Will the minister reflect on the very first recommendation of the commission that he referred to, which was to abolish the council tax?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Our reforms will protect household incomes, make local taxation fairer and ensure that local authorities continue to be properly funded, as I said. After tho...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am sorry, but I am in the last moments of my speech. Other parties will no doubt take a different view on how those tax powers can be used. Although we r...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to talk about tax this afternoon. I thank the Tories for bringing the debate to the chamber. I also thank them for the simplicity o...