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Meeting of the Parliament 13 December 2016

13 Dec 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
International Migrants to Scotland
Kerr, Liam Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Yes. The answer, of course, is that I was only one and a half minutes into my speech.

Let me make clear where we agree with the motion. Do we welcome international migrants to Scotland? Of course we do. Britain at its best has for centuries been a shining light of democracy, liberty and hope, and we believe that our internationalism abroad must be echoed here at home. As Ruth Davidson has said many times, in the debate on numbers, criteria, quotas, rules and percentages, we must never forget that behind those things are homes, families and human beings. Let me make it clear: we whole-heartedly support the UN’s international migrant day, and we welcome the fact that the motion clearly signals the status of refugees.

However, we must also acknowledge, as the first part of our amendment does, that the UK Government is on track to meet its target to resettle 20,000 Syrian refugees by 2020; that the UK Government has pledged that refugees will receive £8,500 per head for housing and healthcare in the year that they arrive, along with lessons in the English language; and that the UK Government has spent more than £2.3 billion on providing opportunities for work and access to services. We must acknowledge, too, that the majority of people who become refugees do not want to leave their home, community or country and live in hope that one day they will be able to return and rebuild their life. The first part of our amendment pays tribute to the UK Government, the Department for International Development, our aid workers and our staff from around the world.

Britain is the second-largest bilateral donor supporting Syrian refugees in the region. The United Kingdom has contributed £1.1 billion since 2012 for food, tents and other humanitarian aid and is giving a further £10 million to help vulnerable refugee minors who are already in Europe. The UK Government has provided more funding for refugees than any other western European country. It is a Government that is less about gestures and more about the solid long-term work at the root of the problem that aims to prevent people from taking life-threatening journeys and funding traffickers.

I turn to economic migrants and I agree with the Scottish Government’s motion. We make clear again and again what Ruth Davidson said to Conservative Party conference in October:

“for those who have already chosen to build a life, open a business, make a contribution, I say this—this is your home, and you are welcome here.”

We urge the UK Government to guarantee the rights of EU nationals to live and work here. However, as the next part of our amendment proposes, that must be a two-way process. The Prime Minister has to ensure that she looks out for the 1.2 million UK nationals, of whom 120,000 are Scots, who are in the EU. That means that we aspire to an open, reciprocal agreement in which UK citizens in other EU countries would be guaranteed rights to remain, and in turn those from the EU who have already settled in the UK would receive the same guarantee: mutual assurance for mutual benefit. That is, of course, a little different from the

“robust and common sense position”

that

“There are 160,000 EU nationals from other states living in Scotland ... If Scotland was outside Europe, they would lose the right to stay here.”

Those are not my words, but the words of the First Minister in 2014.

I am pleased at reports that the EU may be relaxing its hard-core position. Just recently we have heard prominent MEPs talk about possible associate citizenship of the EU. That will require rigorous scrutiny and inspection, but let us hope that the EU sees sense, confirms UK citizens’ status as soon as possible and allows our Government to make a reciprocal promise.

The next part of our amendment is on non-EU migration and a future immigration system that would provide migrants from outwith the EU equal opportunities to live and work here. I cannot imagine that anyone in the chamber believes that the UK should not have a border. Certainly

“Nobody’s suggesting uncontrolled and unmanaged immigration”

because

“we’ve ... got to get more of our own young folk staying here, maximising good jobs and more women in work as well.”

That was the First Minister again.

If we start from that premise, we have to accept that there must be criteria under which people can and should enter. The white paper on independence talks about

“a controlled, transparent and efficient immigration system”

that

“includes a points-based approach”.

That is a fair system, in which the doors are open to anyone who meets the criteria—currently, they are not open.

We will always work to make this country a welcoming place for international migrants, but we must make the immigration system a fair system that works for all and is in the interests of our communities and country.

Of course we acknowledge the UN’s international migrants day; of course we remember the refugees who have lost their lives; and of course we celebrate the contribution that migrants have made. However, we take an incoherent approach if we sit here and call on the UK Government to guarantee the rights of EU nationals and do not urge the EU to do the same for British migrants.

This Parliament must note that non-EU migration is essential and that a future, fairer immigration system can provide equal opportunities for all. Our amendment also notes the significant powers that the Scottish Government has at its disposal to create incentives for people to live and work in Scotland, and we must note the UK Government’s aid and support programme—the second largest in the world—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-03049, in the name of Alasdair Allan, on welcoming international migrants in Scotland. 14:55
The Minister for International Development and Europe (Dr Alasdair Allan) SNP
I am honoured to be here today to acknowledge international migrants day 2016, which takes place this Sunday. The United Nations encourages us to mark the da...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the minister for taking an intervention. I agree with the comments that he has made so far. Is he planning to refer to the dismantling of th...
Dr Allan SNP
I agree with the sentiments that Liam McArthur has expressed about the responsibility that we all have for unaccompanied children and the especially concerni...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Does the minister agree that the main culprits when it comes to spreading vile propaganda about migrants and refugees are right-wing tabloid newspapers such ...
Dr Allan SNP
It is certainly the case that all of us, as politicians, have a responsibility to make clear the positive message about what refugees, among many other migra...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Will the options paper that the minister has just referred to be published before Christmas? I think that that was the commitment that the First Minister gav...
Dr Allan SNP
I can tell that Tavish Scott is urgently thumbing through his Advent calendar. I refer him to the earlier commitments that have been made. I call on members...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I call Liam Kerr to speak to and move amendment S5M-03049.2. You have seven minutes, Mr Kerr. 15:08
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer. Did you say seven minutes?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes. Were you expecting more?
Liam Kerr Con
I was, rather.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Well, it is seven.
Liam Kerr Con
Of course. Thank you. We need to talk about international migrants but, more than that, we need to listen. Alasdair Allan talks of negative rhetoric and I ...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer.
Liam Kerr Con
I will not take any interventions, I am afraid. I am four minutes short of what I thought I would have.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you 30 seconds if you take an intervention, but it is up to you.
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
It is a point of order.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is a point of order. I beg your pardon.
Sandra White SNP
Presiding Officer, can you clarify or explain why the speech from the Conservatives has not even touched on what the motion is about?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am monitoring when Liam Kerr will come to the material part of his amendment. I am sure that he is moving to it now.
Liam Kerr Con
Yes. The answer, of course, is that I was only one and a half minutes into my speech. Let me make clear where we agree with the motion. Do we welcome intern...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
And that is where to stop. I am so sorry; you have done very well, Mr Kerr, as you were misinformed by your whip. Please move your amendment.
Liam Kerr Con
I move amendment S5M-03049.2, to leave out from “welcomes the opportunity” to end and insert: “notes the UK Government’s extensive aid programme to support ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excellent. I now call Lewis Macdonald to speak and move amendment S5M-3049.1. Mr Macdonald, I hope that you were told that you have six minutes. 15:16
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. When the United Nations established international migrants day at the turn of the century, it declared that migratio...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, thank you for your indulgence in letting me leave the chamber after I have made my speech. “On the morning of October 3,”— 2013— “a fis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I ask you to conclude there, Mr Dornan; it is a good quote to end with.
James Dornan SNP
When we are talking about this issue, I suggest that we are very careful with our language—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, Mr Dornan, please sit down. It was a good quote to end with; do not spoil it. 15:28