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Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee 24 November 2016

24 Nov 2016 · S5 · Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee
Item of business
“Maintaining Scotland’s roads: A follow-up report”
Fraser McKinlay (Audit Scotland) Watch on SPTV
Thank you, convener. Good morning, members. This report on maintaining Scotland’s roads is a joint report by the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission, so it covers both the Scottish Government’s responsibilities for maintaining the trunk road network and councils’ responsibilities for maintaining local roads. We have, over the years, reported quite regularly on Scotland’s roads. That partly reflects the important investment and the amount of money that is spent, but it also reflects the importance that local communities and the people of Scotland attach to the condition of roads. It is our fourth report since 2005, and it looks at three main issues. I will briefly summarise the key points. The first part of the report looks at the condition of roads and the expenditure on them. It is fair to say that our previous reports on roads maintenance have painted a picture of roads authorities both locally and nationally having to work hard to maintain the condition of roads in the face of declining budgets. This report is exactly the same in that regard. We have found that the condition of trunk roads declined from 90 per cent being in acceptable condition in 2011-12 to 87 per cent being in acceptable condition in 2014-15. Most of that decline is associated with the condition of motorways. Over the same period, Transport Scotland’s expenditure on trunk roads maintenance fell from £168 million to £162 million. By its own assessment, it spent £24 million—that is 38 per cent—less on structural maintenance in 2014-15 than it considers necessary to maintain the trunk road condition at the current levels. The condition of local roads remained stable, with around 63 per cent being in acceptable condition from 2011-12 to 2014-15, although there is significant variation among councils within the national picture. Total council expenditure on roads maintenance continued to decrease overall, from £302 million to £259 million—that is 14 per cent—over the same period. The Society of Chief Officers of Transportation in Scotland has calculated that, overall, councils spent £33 million—that is 13 per cent—less on planned and routine maintenance in 2014-15 than was necessary to maintain the current condition of local roads. In terms of the management of roads maintenance, previous audit reports highlighted the need for all authorities to develop road asset management plans. We are pleased that all councils and Transport Scotland now have those in place, although we think they still lack detail in some places. Although councils have now adopted a common set of performance indicators, the focus to date has mainly been on ensuring that that data is consistent. Transport Scotland has its own set of performance measures, because, owing to the different levels of service between trunk and local roads, it considers that many of the aspects of performance that it measures are not directly comparable with councils’ performance indicators. It is quite a complex picture when you try to compare the local and national pictures. The third part of the report talks about the developments in improving collaborative working. Our previous audit reports stressed the importance of developing a more collaborative approach to roads maintenance, and that was also an important recommendation from the national roads maintenance review, which was published back in 2012. The Auditor General and the Accounts Commission feel that progress in developing that more collaborative approach has been disappointingly slow. Although regional arrangements are now being established and facilitated through the roads collaboration programme, there is no clear plan or timetable for determining the extent of shared services at an operational level. There are examples out there that are mentioned in the report. The Ayrshire roads alliance and Tayside contracts have been around for quite a long time, and it is important that we learn the lessons from those. In relation to the trunk road network, we think that there is an opportunity for Transport Scotland to maximise the opportunities for more collaboration with councils through conditions in the trunk road operational contracts. As always, my colleagues and I are very happy to answer the committee’s questions.

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
We move to item 5, which is our evidence session on “Maintaining Scotland’s Roads: A follow-up report”. I welcome to the meeting Fraser McKinlay, the directo...
Fraser McKinlay (Audit Scotland)
Thank you, convener. Good morning, members. This report on maintaining Scotland’s roads is a joint report by the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission...
The Convener Lab
Thank you very much, Mr McKinlay.
Alex Neil SNP
Am I right in saying that the reduction in budget and the reduction in the percentage of roads in satisfactory condition are broadly the same? If so, that wo...
Fraser McKinlay
I will check with the team, Mr Neil, but I think the picture is slightly different depending on whether you are looking at local or national roads. The condi...
Graeme Greenhill (Audit Scotland)
I think that you are broadly correct in percentage terms. The condition of trunk roads declined from 90 per cent being in acceptable condition in 2011-12 to ...
Alex Neil SNP
You draw attention to the increasing use of fairly temporary measures, particularly materials. Are we cutting off our nose to spite our face? You say in para...
Graeme Greenhill
There are certainly times when surface dressing, as it is called—basically just replacing the surface—represents value for money. However, there is a risk th...
Alex Neil SNP
Not just in this period but previously, the overall performance of the local authority sector has been substantially below what has been expected. Sixty-thre...
Fraser McKinlay
Indeed, Mr Neil, and we are aware of that experience in Ayrshire. I guess that it is a good wee example of the point I was going to start with. Although we a...
Alex Neil SNP
Have you done any collaborative analysis of those areas where there is already established collaborative working and the rest, where there is not, to see whe...
Fraser McKinlay
We have not yet, partly because the collaborative arrangements are still relatively new, with the possible exception of the Tayside contracts. That is a slig...
Alex Neil SNP
Thank you.
Colin Beattie SNP
There are one or two random items in the report that I want to get a bit more information on. We have touched on the contracts, and I am looking at paragraph...
Shelagh Stewart (Audit Scotland)
Yes. In that paragraph, we draw attention to the shift to the 4G contracts. With the introduction of the new contract framework, the expectations around perf...
Colin Beattie SNP
Okay. One thing that really jumps out at me in the report relates to the performance of councils. Although they have maintained the level of roads in accepta...
Fraser McKinlay
As you say, one of the striking things about the report is the variation between councils. We have not done a huge amount of in-depth analysis, council by co...
Graeme Greenhill
Exhibit 2 on page 14 gives you that spread of council performance across individual councils. We are not necessarily saying that Argyll and Bute Council, on ...
Colin Beattie SNP
I see your comments in paragraph 99 on the question of trunk roads being included in the regional groupings. Do you feel that we are close to that, or is it ...
Graeme Greenhill
I think that it is a work in progress. As you will have seen from the letter that Roy Brannen, the chief executive of Transport Scotland, wrote to the commit...
Colin Beattie SNP
It is quite clear that there are a number of different models in place for maintaining roads, whether there is subcontracting or whether the councils are doi...
Graeme Greenhill
Do you mean to bring it all together into a single roads maintenance authority that would be responsible for all roads maintenance?
Colin Beattie SNP
That would be wonderful.
Graeme Greenhill
Theoretically, it could be done, although there are obvious challenges associated with that. Paragraph 95 of the report, on page 41, gives an indication of s...
Fraser McKinlay
For me, as much as a question of whether it is feasible, it is a question of whether that is who you would want to do the work. I would make some connection ...
Colin Beattie SNP
I was quite intrigued by paragraphs 52 and 53, which show that we are probably marginally better than our colleagues south of the border. However, what reall...
Fraser McKinlay
We have not done the work to let me say one way or the other, Mr Beattie. As far as we can tell, a policy choice was made. The Government at Westminster deci...
Colin Beattie SNP
Okay.
The Convener Lab
I refer you to exhibit 5 on page 17, which is about the overall performance of trunk road operating companies. Please correct me if I am wrong, but looking a...
Shelagh Stewart
Exhibit 5 shows the performance of all four of the regional operating companies, which are assessed individually in the annual PAGplus reports. However, they...