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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 22 November 2016

22 Nov 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Adoption and Permanence

A number of members have spoken about the consensual nature of today’s debate. Although that is a fair point to make, there is rather a lot to which I need to respond.

The debate was framed around adoption and permanence for an important reason. Although much of the debate has rightly focused on adoption, with this being adoption week, there are other routes to permanence. The four legal routes are adoption, rehabilitated to return home, permanence orders—which can result in foster or residential placements—and kinship care orders. Throughout the debate we have heard members reflect on those different routes to permanence. It is important that we recognise that all those routes can—and will—deliver substantially better outcomes for young people.

I will begin at the beginning of the debate. Monica Lennon rightly spoke about support for adoptive families. It is important to say that support is available. Last month, I met Adoption UK and have agreed that the Scottish Government will work in conjunction with it and other stakeholders to review the therapeutic support that is available and—crucially—to ensure that it is clearly signposted.

The Adoption and Children (Scotland) Act 2007, which I mentioned in my opening speech, requires local authorities that are asked to do so—by, for example, an adopted child or someone who has adopted a child—to carry out an assessment of need for adoption support services. Where the assessment identifies a need for support services, local authorities are under a duty to provide them. Following an assessment of need, the support that is available includes information, advice, guidance, signposting, counselling, opportunities for adoptive parents to interact, mediation of contact with the birth family, mediation services where an adoptive family is at risk of disruption—a number of members talked about that—financial support, basic life-story work and short-break care where no therapeutic input is provided. A number of support mechanisms can be accessed; the question is whether they are readily identifiable by adoptive families. I have agreed with Adoption UK that I will look at the issue in more detail.

Members talked about the disparity between the number of children who are seeking adoption and the number of prospective adopters. As of today, there are 140 children on the adoption register and 132 prospective adopters—there is a disparity, but it is perhaps not the gulf that was suggested by some members’ remarks. However, we want to do more to encourage people to come forward as prospective adopters.

Jenny Gilruth made important points about the health and wellbeing aspects of the curriculum for excellence and about the need to dispel the myth whereby adoption is seen as being about babies, when in fact it is sometimes young or older children who need to be adopted.

Liz Smith talked about the timescale for adoption, as highlighted in the 2011 SCRA report. A guiding principle behind the permanence and care excellence programme is to reduce unacceptable delays in achieving permanence.

I am not persuaded that we need an adoption tsar. A lot of good work is being done out there to promote adoption.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-02624, in the name of Mark McDonald, on adoption and permanence in Scotland. 14:34
The Minister for Childcare and Early Years (Mark McDonald) SNP
Every child deserves the best possible start in life and to grow up feeling and being loved, wanted, safe and secure. All across Scotland, thousands of adopt...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on the motion in Mark McDonald’s name on adoption and permanent solutions for looked-after children. Sco...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome the minister’s motion and Labour’s amendment, both of which will be supported by the Conservatives. As we have heard, this week is adoption week, ...
Mark McDonald SNP
I am grateful to Jeremy Balfour for highlighting that point. Obviously, I cannot comment on the case that he has cited, but if he writes to me with the detai...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I thank the minister for that. We need to look at the situation. Sometimes, meetings are arranged by social workers but do not fit for the family or are canc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We move to open debate, with speeches of around six minutes. I have some time in hand, so time can be given for interventions. 15:03
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I have friends who were adopted and friends who have adopted children. One of the most selfless acts that any human being can do is to commit to taking on le...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
This has been a good debate and it is good that it takes place in a special week. The four preceding speeches have all been excellent and considered, which i...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
It gives me great pleasure to speak in the debate. This is an area in which I have some experience and I hope to use that to contribute to a positive, cross-...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Most speakers have commented on how consensual and positive this afternoon’s debate has been. Too often, we tend to use those words as a euphemism for dull, ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I will start on a happy note. Two close friends of mine who are in a same-sex marriage have just gone through the adoption process and hope to welcome their ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I will support the Government motion and the Labour amendment at decision time. It is true that we are enjoying a consensual debate, and rightly so; I am gra...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Presiding Officer, “Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.” That strikes me...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I start by recognising Aberdeenshire Council’s achievement of its aims for early permanence for children who need a caring and stable home and family. The Ab...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate. As we mark the first ever adoption week Scotland, I pay tribute to the individuals and couples in the Lothian re...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Like others, I welcome the first adoption week Scotland as something that is much needed to raise awareness of the specific issues faced by children who are ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate, which is being held during the first-ever adoption week Scotland. I also welcome the consensual points that have been made about the be...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a local councillor with Argyll and Bute Council and as a member of the council’s corporate parenting board, which looks after more t...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
At the recent SNP conference, along with many others—about 3,000, I think—I was profoundly moved when the First Minister addressed the issue of care-experien...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I am disappointed that Maurice Corry is not in the chamber for the closing speeches. I have had no notice or request from him. Perhaps that message will be c...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Much has been made this afternoon of the positive, consensual tone—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Bear with me a minute. I see that I have failed to name Miles Briggs, who is also not in the chamber. No doubt that will be conveyed to him, too. My apolog...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Not at all, although you have slightly broken up the pace of my humour.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sure that you can recover it. You are a stylish gentleman.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I will stumble through that again. There has been a positive, consensual tone to the debate, and if that is different, I suggest that it is because we are p...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I start by declaring an interest as a councillor on Aberdeen City Council and, therefore, as a corporate parent. I echo the comments of members who have welc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am so glad that I gave you that extra minute—you squeezed the juice right out of it. 16:47
Mark McDonald SNP
A number of members have spoken about the consensual nature of today’s debate. Although that is a fair point to make, there is rather a lot to which I need t...
Liz Smith Con
Given the minister’s comment about the need to publicise all the facts that people need in relation to adoption, which he rightly said is not easy to do a ts...