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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 22 November 2016

22 Nov 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Adoption and Permanence
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

I welcome the debate, which is being held during the first-ever adoption week Scotland. I also welcome the consensual points that have been made about the benefits of the Adoption and Children (Scotland) Act 2007 and of the adoption register in Scotland, from which more than 300 families and—more importantly—children are benefiting. The new moneys that the minister announced will be very welcome.

The Scottish Government’s strategy for looked-after children and young people was published in November 2015. It is worth noting the strategy’s priorities, which are to support families early to prevent children from becoming looked after in the first place; to provide early permanence when required—that has been mentioned by a number of members; and to make sure that every child receives the best care and support.

I would like to take a slightly different approach: I want to commend the role of kinship carers under the Government’s strategy and all that they do to prevent children from becoming accommodated in the first place—and to prevent pressures on adoption services as a consequence. The kinship carers I have met across my constituency of Maryhill and Springburn and beyond do exceptional and vital work. In particular, I want to mention the kinship for the north group, which was previously run by Jessie Harvey, a formidable and wonderful lady, and is now run by Sadie Prior, who is doing another sterling job on behalf of that organisation. I have been happy and privileged to work with them over a number of years. I thank them for all that they do, but they do not want my thanks; they wish to receive appropriate support, help and assistance, not for them but for the children they care for.

A successful kinship care arrangement saves a significant financial outlay, given the alternative expensive residential options that councils would otherwise have to pay for, and the life outcomes for young people in kinship care are far better, on average, than those for looked-after and accommodated children. That is crucial. Ending up with happier and healthier children with better life chances is what it is all about for all of us.

Ahead of my election in 2007, I made a commitment to kinship carers with regard to financial support—I committed to fight for parity with foster carers. The Scottish Government worked towards that goal over a number of years and finally fully realised it in 2015 through a £10 million commitment. I thoroughly welcomed that—we are proud of that achievement.

However, this is 2016, and kinship carers, as well as foster carers and adoptive families, quite rightly have a fresh set of asks. At my most recent meeting with kinship for the north in Possilpark, we discussed how peer advice and support for kinship carers need to be better supported. I am well aware of and welcome the Children 1st advice line for kinship care, but Sadie Prior discussed with me the idea of a national volunteer-led model of advice and peer support for kinship carers that the kinship carers I work with, along with the Scottish kinship care alliance, are keen to develop. I understand that the minister’s officials might have had some initial representations in relation to that initiative, but I would like to extend an invitation to him to come and meet the kinship carers in the kinship for the north group in Possilpark to talk to them about their needs and about the potential of a national network of peer support and advice, which they would be happy to be involved in as volunteers. They would love to see the minister in our constituency.

As I said, one way of easing pressure on adoption services is to reduce the need for young people to be adopted in the first place. Kinship carers are placed front and centre in realising that ambition.

I was struck by what Monica Lennon said about on-going support for adoptive families. Young people do not stop having significant needs simply because they have been adopted; that is not how it works. Ms Lennon noted the calls for a fair deal for adoptive families in relation to school, child and adolescent mental health services and a variety of wider support needs. Those are all powerful points. Those key asks have been long-term campaign goals for kinship carers, and I am sure that the minister will consider Ms Lennon’s points in the round to ensure that, whether we are talking about foster carers, kinship carers or adoptive families, there is equity of service for all groups. The issue is not about those who care for the young people; it is about the young people with needs themselves.

My final point relates to the idea of early permanence. I was struck by Fulton MacGregor’s point that early permanence needs sound, speedy and informed decision making. As MSPs, we sometimes see families only when they are in need. That includes families who have engaged with the social work system and who are desperate to retain their children, whether that is at home or through a kinship care placement. There is a perception—I am sure that it is only a perception—that, once social workers have made an initial decision about a family, that position can become entrenched, and they can rule out the prospect of children returning to the birth family or going into kinship care arrangements, because of the closeness between the birth family and the aunt or gran or whoever.

I accept the need for early permanence to achieve the best outcome for vulnerable young people, but I reinforce the comment that was made by Fulton MacGregor, who has much more experience than I have on the issue, that the decision has to be sound and speedy, but it also has to be informed. That means making sure that we do not needlessly rule out other potential options, including kinship carers.

16:15  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-02624, in the name of Mark McDonald, on adoption and permanence in Scotland. 14:34
The Minister for Childcare and Early Years (Mark McDonald) SNP
Every child deserves the best possible start in life and to grow up feeling and being loved, wanted, safe and secure. All across Scotland, thousands of adopt...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on the motion in Mark McDonald’s name on adoption and permanent solutions for looked-after children. Sco...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome the minister’s motion and Labour’s amendment, both of which will be supported by the Conservatives. As we have heard, this week is adoption week, ...
Mark McDonald SNP
I am grateful to Jeremy Balfour for highlighting that point. Obviously, I cannot comment on the case that he has cited, but if he writes to me with the detai...
Jeremy Balfour Con
I thank the minister for that. We need to look at the situation. Sometimes, meetings are arranged by social workers but do not fit for the family or are canc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We move to open debate, with speeches of around six minutes. I have some time in hand, so time can be given for interventions. 15:03
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I have friends who were adopted and friends who have adopted children. One of the most selfless acts that any human being can do is to commit to taking on le...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
This has been a good debate and it is good that it takes place in a special week. The four preceding speeches have all been excellent and considered, which i...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
It gives me great pleasure to speak in the debate. This is an area in which I have some experience and I hope to use that to contribute to a positive, cross-...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Most speakers have commented on how consensual and positive this afternoon’s debate has been. Too often, we tend to use those words as a euphemism for dull, ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I will start on a happy note. Two close friends of mine who are in a same-sex marriage have just gone through the adoption process and hope to welcome their ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I will support the Government motion and the Labour amendment at decision time. It is true that we are enjoying a consensual debate, and rightly so; I am gra...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Presiding Officer, “Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.” That strikes me...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I start by recognising Aberdeenshire Council’s achievement of its aims for early permanence for children who need a caring and stable home and family. The Ab...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am pleased to take part in today’s debate. As we mark the first ever adoption week Scotland, I pay tribute to the individuals and couples in the Lothian re...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Like others, I welcome the first adoption week Scotland as something that is much needed to raise awareness of the specific issues faced by children who are ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate, which is being held during the first-ever adoption week Scotland. I also welcome the consensual points that have been made about the be...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a local councillor with Argyll and Bute Council and as a member of the council’s corporate parenting board, which looks after more t...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
At the recent SNP conference, along with many others—about 3,000, I think—I was profoundly moved when the First Minister addressed the issue of care-experien...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I am disappointed that Maurice Corry is not in the chamber for the closing speeches. I have had no notice or request from him. Perhaps that message will be c...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Much has been made this afternoon of the positive, consensual tone—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Bear with me a minute. I see that I have failed to name Miles Briggs, who is also not in the chamber. No doubt that will be conveyed to him, too. My apolog...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Not at all, although you have slightly broken up the pace of my humour.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sure that you can recover it. You are a stylish gentleman.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I will stumble through that again. There has been a positive, consensual tone to the debate, and if that is different, I suggest that it is because we are p...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I start by declaring an interest as a councillor on Aberdeen City Council and, therefore, as a corporate parent. I echo the comments of members who have welc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am so glad that I gave you that extra minute—you squeezed the juice right out of it. 16:47
Mark McDonald SNP
A number of members have spoken about the consensual nature of today’s debate. Although that is a fair point to make, there is rather a lot to which I need t...
Liz Smith Con
Given the minister’s comment about the need to publicise all the facts that people need in relation to adoption, which he rightly said is not easy to do a ts...