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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 26 October 2016

26 Oct 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Campbeltown Airport (Spaceport Bid)

I apologise to the chamber for not being here for the early part of the debate. I wish to speak in support of what Kenny Gibson said about Prestwick airport. Like him, I do not want to make the debate a contentious one, and I respect the support of David Stewart and other colleagues for Machrihanish. However, I feel that it is important for me to differ from Mr Stewart, because it is too serious an issue to let what he said stand.

Machrihanish is self-evidently not the location of choice for a spaceport in Scotland. All the things that Mr Gibson said are absolutely true. I would correct him only on one fact: Spirit AeroSystems currently employs more than 1,000 people, not more than 900. There are 3,000 people around Prestwick airport in what is genuinely a world-class hub of maintenance, repair and overhaul. Never mind Machrihanish—there is nowhere else like Prestwick in Britain, and its work is absolutely vital to the sustenance of a spaceport.

A long runway in a remote location is, of itself, not enough. Mr Gibson highlighted the issue of road access; there is a motorway from Glasgow and central Scotland and indeed from London right to the front door of Prestwick airport. Mr Gibson and I are not often on the same side of an argument, but from day 1 in this Parliament we fought and campaigned to have the A77 upgraded to motorway status—and, thank goodness, we have now succeeded.

There has been much talk of timber lorries in Argyllshire. I am sorry, but that is just a fact of life. We need good access, because having a spaceport means providing access for customers as well as objects to go into space. Plans are already well under way at Prestwick airport for human space travel; indeed, there is a timescale for that, but I am afraid that I might break confidences by talking about it.

Prestwick airport has not only the advantage of having a willing 3,000-strong workforce around the area, some of whom are already involved in the design of spacecraft, but the absolute support of the Ayrshire community—not just South Ayrshire, but the whole of Ayrshire. North, South and East Ayrshire do not, I regret to say, always agree, but this is one issue on which we are absolutely united. In addition, the issue has the absolute support of the Ayrshire councils, particularly South Ayrshire Council.

As for the length of the runway and the licensing requirements, it is important to point out that Prestwick is virtually compliant with American licensing situations. It will require very little alteration in that respect; indeed, if it were an American airport, it would probably already be sufficiently compliant to be a spaceport.

I see the Presiding Officer telling me to stop. I thank you for your indulgence in letting me speak, Presiding Officer, and I support Mr Gibson in all that he has said today.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
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David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
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Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
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Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I was rather speaking of some others in here—including myself—not, indeed, Mr Stewart.
Edward Mountain Con
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Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
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Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I was just telling you that you were coming to the end of your four minutes, Mr Scott. I was not being so unkind as to tell you to stop. I call the minister...
The Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
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John Scott Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That was a good try, Mr Scott.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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David Stewart Lab
Will the minister give way?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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David Stewart Lab
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Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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David Stewart Lab
Will the minister take another intervention?
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Please be brief, Mr Stewart, as we are running short of time.
David Stewart Lab
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Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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