Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
14
Parties on record
2,095,827
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,095,827 contributions in session S6, 12 May 2026 – 11 Jun 2026. Latest 30 days: 3,026. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 10 Jun 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 June 2016

08 Jun 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Named Person Policy

Thank you, Presiding Officer, for that lengthy introduction.

This morning, I read the papers on the named person policy. I am at a loss to understand why a simple and sensible principle—that parents and carers should have a single point of contact for children’s services—can be so difficult.

As Liz Smith mentioned, Dr Simon Knight is a named person and a youth worker in Glasgow, yet he rails against the named person policy in today’s Herald. Yesterday’s Press and Journal editorial does similar. As many of us do, I have friends who work in education, social work and other places who, just like me, are parents. Some believe that the policy is an invasion into family life—but it is not; it never can be; and it never should be.

As a parent, I can say no to the named person for my youngest sons. Both are at school: one is in primary and one is in secondary. The older one is in Inverness and has had a named person for years under Highland Council’s policy, but I have not been called in by his named person. If I had been, and I and my son’s mother had judged the matter as being for us to resolve, that is what would have happened. If—I should say that this has not happened—our son was caught drinking after school, we would deal with it. Parents and carers can say, “Thanks, but no thanks.” However, the Government has failed to get that broad point across, as it needs to do to Dr Knight and many others.

People worry that parental consent could disappear. Some say that low-level intervention involves professional health visitors or teaching staff doing the parents’ job. We all learn as parents, believe me—I have four kids and I am still learning. However, the state, and any Government, must accept and ensure that parents and carers can say, “No, that is my responsibility.”

The obvious threshold concerns child protection where there are threats to a child’s welfare or physical harm, and where a child or a young person is in danger or at risk. Following last week’s High Court ruling, there can be no MSP who would stop a named person pressing every emergency button and taking action. There are clear and very well-understood circumstances in which police, social workers and others must get involved.

I have listened to more than one First Minister explain, when a child has been murdered in the most horrific of circumstances, how a Government will inquire and review. However, I also reflect that the real challenge of child protection is helping at-risk children in catastrophic family circumstances. Families can be skilled and manipulative with agencies and can hide abuse, and that is where the named person system simply must work.

Last week, I met the area police commander at home in Shetland and we talked about the policy and about child protection. At home, there is a weekly case conference at which all the agencies are present, when any child or young person who is at risk is discussed. Parents and carers are, of course, involved. The aim is to stop an initial problem escalating.

Childcare services, numerous agencies and the national health service can be and are a maze for parents and carers, so an effective approach that involves a single point of contact who helps parents to establish who to speak with about their son or daughter is right. That must be a simple process that is designed to help. However, there are concerns about the named person policy. People want to know that it will work properly and that there are safeguards. My amendment reflects that.

First, there must be adequate resources, and adequate training is needed. The policy asks the named person to judge a child or young person not simply on the basis of risk but on an assessment of wellbeing. These days, we ask much of our teachers, health visitors and others. Are named persons receiving adequate training to cope with the 200 separate risk indicators that are the basis of the wellbeing assessment? Do teachers know what wellbeing is, rather than just knowing about teaching geography or physics? Can schools provide the professional development that the policy needs in order to work? I hope that the cabinet secretary will be prepared to consider those observations.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-00345, in the name of Liz Smith, on education. I am speaking slowly to allow Ms Smith to get herself orga...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to the first line in the motion, in which I make it clear that this afternoon’s debate is not about whether members support the Sco...
The Minister for Childcare and Early Years (Mark McDonald) SNP
Liz Smith has mentioned the RCN. She will have seen the briefing that the RCN issued last night, which says that it is neither calling for the policy to be s...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I will—I have done so already. However, the RCN is on record saying that it wants greater resources, and many people inside the RCN who have come to see...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
Liz Smith Con
Let me make a little progress. Jenny Laing, of Aberdeen City Council, made a similar comment, and today, Dr Simon Knight, who is a senior youth practitioner...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Is the member aware that, on 24 March, in the House of Commons Public Bill Committee on the Investigatory Powers Bill, my colleague Joanna Cherry MP elicited...
Liz Smith Con
Mr Stevenson makes an interesting point. Let me develop the point about the named person. What is so difficult about the named person legislation is the de...
Daniel Johnson Lab
It is good to hear that the Conservatives are concerned about resources and definitions, but I thought—indeed, in recent articles Ruth Davidson has said—that...
Liz Smith Con
Nothing has changed. We remain completely opposed to the policy, but the debate—Interruption. Members can say all that they like, but as we indicate in our m...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
I will not at this stage; I have taken three interventions and I want to make some progress. The First Minister has confused the issue. She says that engage...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
When the Parliament passed the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 on 19 February 2014, we recognised that a policy that had been developed and tes...
Liz Smith Con
Will the cabinet secretary outline why he thinks there is so much opposition to the policy? Within many of the professional groups—Interruption. I will not r...
John Swinney SNP
There are two issues in Liz Smith’s comment. One is the issue about workload, to which I will come. We have to take that into account, which is why my amendm...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Surely the difference between a GP and a named person is that a GP is there to assist, whereas a named person is there not only to assist but—behind the back...
John Swinney SNP
That intervention characterises why this debate has become what it has become—because Mr Tomkins has fuelled the absurdity of the attacks that were made on t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Quiet, please.
Liz Smith Con
Will the SNP be supporting the Labour amendment?
John Swinney SNP
I will be supporting my own amendment—I drafted it, so I will be voting for it. I do not think that that was a great moment of parliamentary triumph. What e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tavish Scott to speak to and move amendment S5M-00345.1.1 to amendment S5M-00345.1. 15:36
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for that lengthy introduction. This morning, I read the papers on the named person policy. I am at a loss to understand why a ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a member of the west of Scotland National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children board. We are speaking to practicality ...
Tavish Scott LD
I am not the minister with responsibility for the policy, but it is clear that it would be wrong to have three named people for any individual in such circum...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour supported the principle of the named person scheme when it was legislated for, and we continue to believe that, implemented properly and prop...
Liz Smith Con
I am sure that Iain Gray will acknowledge that other professionals—people in Unison, the EIS and the SSTA—hold a very different view of that case load.
Iain Gray Lab
That view is largely related to the resources going into their professions and the authorities for which they work generally, and I will come to that point. ...
Mark McDonald SNP
Iain Gray will be aware that the children’s commissioner was explicitly asked about that during the election campaign and said that he did not agree that the...
Iain Gray Lab
That is the suggestion that we made at the time and I would like to be consistent with it, but we are not wedded to it. I simply say that we think that there...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member give way?