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Meeting of the Parliament 08 June 2016

08 Jun 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Named Person Policy
Swinney, John SNP Perthshire North Watch on SPTV

I will be supporting my own amendment—I drafted it, so I will be voting for it. I do not think that that was a great moment of parliamentary triumph.

What else has changed in the debate? Perhaps it is the language that some have used in their opposition to the policy. We had another example of it today. We have all heard many comments about “state snoopers” who will be “intruding” in family life but those so-called snoopers are the health visitors and teachers whom families across Scotland work with, trust and turn to for advice right now. Such language insults the vital work that they do and makes their work much more difficult.

I accept that the Scottish Government now has work to do to build confidence in this policy; to ensure that the guidance is appropriate—that is why I have given a commitment to refresh the guidance; and to ensure that the public are fully and properly aware of the intentions behind the policy. We understand the challenges of communicating that change to the public, not least in a climate thick with misinformation and scaremongering. The public deserve a considered, transparent presentation of the facts around the named person, and I commit myself to deliver exactly that.

Working with those who work with families and with parent groups, we will ensure that the public information is clear and timely. I accept that more needs to be done by the Scottish Government, which is why our amendment signals the need to carry out that work. I commit to Parliament that, working with the Minister for Childcare and Early Years, with other parties, with stakeholders and with public servants around the country, the Government will do exactly that.

I do not underestimate the task but, equally, I am proud of the huge progress that has been made across Scotland to ensure that the duties will commence this August. I believe that to pause that huge effort to transform our services would be a loss of faith in the principles we have commonly espoused for delivering better lives for this and future generations.

Ultimately, this is not simply a debate about whether and how fast the named person duties in the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 should be taken forward. It is about how we can make our public services more responsive and more effective to our children and young people and to the families who are raising them. It is about how we can best help families to get the help they need, when they need it. It is not about undermining family life but about how we can give a guarantee of the assistance that can strengthen and improve it.

I move amendment S5M-00345.1, to leave out from “, irrespective” to end and insert:

“believes that most children and young people get all the help and support that they need from their parents or guardians, wider family and community but that sometimes some of them may need extra support; supports the creation of the Named Person role to provide a central point of contact if a child, young person or their parents or guardians want information or advice and, where appropriate, reach out to different services that can help; recognises that the Named Person provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014 are backed by leading child welfare organisations, including Barnardo’s, Save the Children, Children 1st, Children in Scotland, Aberlour and the NSPCC, and by Police Scotland and the Scottish Police Federation; acknowledges, however, the concerns that some people have expressed about the implementation of the policy, and agrees that more must be done to ensure that implementation is successful and that the Scottish Government should, therefore, refresh the guidance provided to professionals and the communication of the policy to the public.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-00345, in the name of Liz Smith, on education. I am speaking slowly to allow Ms Smith to get herself orga...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to the first line in the motion, in which I make it clear that this afternoon’s debate is not about whether members support the Sco...
The Minister for Childcare and Early Years (Mark McDonald) SNP
Liz Smith has mentioned the RCN. She will have seen the briefing that the RCN issued last night, which says that it is neither calling for the policy to be s...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I will—I have done so already. However, the RCN is on record saying that it wants greater resources, and many people inside the RCN who have come to see...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member give way?
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Let me make a little progress. Jenny Laing, of Aberdeen City Council, made a similar comment, and today, Dr Simon Knight, who is a senior youth practitioner...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
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Daniel Johnson Lab
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Liz Smith Con
Nothing has changed. We remain completely opposed to the policy, but the debate—Interruption. Members can say all that they like, but as we indicate in our m...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
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Liz Smith Con
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John Swinney SNP
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Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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John Swinney SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Quiet, please.
Liz Smith Con
Will the SNP be supporting the Labour amendment?
John Swinney SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Tavish Scott to speak to and move amendment S5M-00345.1.1 to amendment S5M-00345.1. 15:36
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
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Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Tavish Scott LD
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Liz Smith Con
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Iain Gray Lab
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Mark McDonald SNP
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Iain Gray Lab
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Liz Smith Con
Will the member give way?