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Meeting of the Parliament 01 June 2016

01 Jun 2016 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Taking Scotland Forward: Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform

I want to bring the circular economy to the heart of the debate around this portfolio area. I acknowledge the consensual sentiments from the cabinet secretary. We will see how long they last—I hope for longer than just this debate.

For the Scottish Conservatives, this debate is about intertwining the needs of the economy and the environment—to paraphrase Bill Clinton, “It’s all about the economy.” I thank Kezia Dugdale for lending me her book of quotes from last week, if members recall.

We need to create more jobs, better jobs and jobs that survive the hollowing out of the labour market. For the Scottish Conservatives, in a circular economy the environment and climate change are paramount. We need economic growth, but we need that economic growth to be increasingly decoupled from any negative environmental externalities. We will still do things that causally do not help the environment but which do make our lives easier and better and recognise the technological advancements that we have made as a global community. Therefore, we will still take flights to be inspired by foreign cultures, or, in the case of Alex Salmond, he will take a flight to inspire them with his culture; we will still be slaves to fashion, some—Angela Constance—more than others; and we will still buy more food, electrical items and other products than we will ever need. However, we need to embrace the power of consumerism, to ensure that there is an advantage for both the environment and the economy, and make sensible Government interventions, to ensure that we both influence and change the market. We must deliver for this generation and for the next.

The Scottish economy is stagnant: unemployment is increasing and output is flatlining. That is why we must allow fracking, which will create jobs and boost the economy. According to Ernst & Young, fracking will generate up to £33 billion and create up to 64,000 jobs for the UK.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-00226, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on taking Scotland forward: environment, climate change and la...
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for that grace period of a couple of moments. I expect that the creation of the new post of Cabinet Secretary for Environment,...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
The cabinet secretary will be aware of the research that is being undertaken into underground coal gasification, which I understand will be reported on in th...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We are undertaking a programme of research, and the Government is commissioning work. The timescale for producing that is unlikely to be as early as this sum...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
If the cabinet secretary’s research says that fracking is safe and she decides to go ahead with it, how will that help with the climate change targets?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I think that I dealt with that in response to Mark Ruskell’s question. I have indicated what the Government’s position is. The member is aware that the energ...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I want to bring the circular economy to the heart of the debate around this portfolio area. I acknowledge the consensual sentiments from the cabinet secretar...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
Does the member not recognise that fracking is an unwelcome diversion from the potential that we have in renewables in this country? I appreciate that the me...
Maurice Golden Con
I say respectfully that although I did not refer to fracking in my amendment, I think that it is worth dealing with, given the other amendments that are on t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
On creating jobs, do the Scottish Conservatives condemn the decision by the UK Government to scrap the carbon capture and storage project at Peterhead?
Maurice Golden Con
We are on fracking at the moment and I am sure that when my colleague discovers energy, we will move on to that. I will go back to the matter at hand. Interr...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate the Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform on her new role. I recognise the wealth of her experience. I look forwar...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the member give way?
Claudia Beamish Lab
No—not at the moment. I want to develop the argument. The Government needs to make it clear that it will not issue any licences for fracking under the new p...
Joan McAlpine SNP
Will the member give way?
Claudia Beamish Lab
Not at the moment. Nicola Sturgeon claims to be a fracking sceptic, but she will not go further than a temporary freeze. Today, we will see once and for all...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
Will the member give way?
Joan McAlpine SNP
Will the member give way?
Claudia Beamish Lab
No—not at the moment. Only a vote for an outright ban would show beyond all doubt that the Parliament rejects fracking in Scotland. SNP members have a choi...
Murdo Fraser Con
Will the member give way?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member give way?
Claudia Beamish Lab
No—I am not going to take interventions, because I am very short of time. I am sure that the new Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy will highlight ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I call Andy Wightman to speak to and move amendment S5M-00226.3. 15:05
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I congratulate Roseanna Cunningham on her appointment as Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform. It is a great honour and privile...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Exemplary timing, Mr Wightman. On that note, we move to the open debate, for which time is tight. Members have up to six minutes, please. 15:13
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer, and congratulations on your appointment. I also congratulate the cabinet secretary on her new remit. Let me say how pleased I ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Angus MacDonald SNP
No. I am sorry, but I have no time—I have a lot to get in. Let us not forget that, had it not been for successive increases in the baseline since the targ...