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Meeting of the Parliament 22 March 2016

22 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill

I have had this cough since 5 January. I wish it would go away.

Opponents within the judiciary argue that similar directions will creep into other areas of legislation, but that can happen only if Parliament agrees that it should happen. I do not think that mission creep is going to happen by itself. Decisions to extend judicial direction would have to be made by Parliament.

The bill also brings into effect a number of measures that have attracted less comment. For example, it extends courts’ ability to award non-harassment orders for domestic abuse offences to circumstances in which the alleged offender has not been fit to stand trial, although the evidence suggests that the person is guilty of the offence.

The bill also extends the jurisdiction of Scottish courts to prosecute offences that are committed against children elsewhere in the UK; amendments at stage 2 clarified how that will operate. The bill abolishes sexual offences prevention orders, foreign travel orders and risk of sexual harm orders, none of which were used often—there was a petition lodged in Parliament about that—and replaces them with sexual harm prevention orders and sexual risk orders. That change is similar to provisions in the rest of the UK, and we hope that the new orders will be easier to use.

Although we welcome the bill and will support it tonight, we do not by any measure consider that the job is now done. The wider issue of coercive control, which exists in cases of domestic abuse but also in abuse of children and older people, is yet to be tackled. We appreciate the difficulty in defining such a broad offence that can be committed in many different circumstances, but we all know that behaviour of that nature can be very damaging to the victim. Such victims are often not aware of what is being done to them and, again, may blame themselves for what happens.

Whatever the shape of forthcoming legislation, there is a need for awareness raising. There is work to be done in our society and in our schools on respect and consent in intimate situations. The education programme that will accompany the bill is much needed in the light of recent evidence about the amount of sexting that is reported to be taking place in Perth and Kinross schools, and I am sure that Perth and Kinross is no different from any other local authority area in Scotland in that regard. I read today that there have been similar reports in England, and I believe that the Labour Party at UK level has proposed that there should be compulsory sex education on the subject. We might wish to return to that in this Parliament. Although the bill is not intended to prevent the activity of sexting, young people need to be aware of their vulnerability both to bullying and exploitation.

My colleagues have raised the importance of tackling other issues. Rhoda Grant raised the need to change both attitudes and legislation around the purchase of sex; she introduced a member’s bill on the issue and lodged stage 2 amendments to the Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Act 2015. I am sure that she will return to those issues in the next session of Parliament. Cara Hilton, during the passage of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015 highlighted the harm that is done by the exposure of young children to exploitative, sexualised and degrading images of women, which remains an outstanding matter of concern. In the next session, and maybe in sessions after that, Parliament will have further work to do.

There has been much dissent and disagreement during the fourth session of Parliament. However, we end on a note of agreement, on an issue of great importance: we are taking action on sexual and domestic abuse, changing court procedure to secure greater access to justice for rape victims, and protecting victims of what has sometimes been described as “revenge porn”. I look forward to this final debate, and in particular to the speeches of Malcolm Chisholm and Margaret McDougall, who will be speaking in the chamber for the last time.

15:30  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15994, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill. 15:09
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
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Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the cabinet secretary agree that the use of expert witnesses would serve the purpose of dealing with those misconceptions in a very effective way—just a...
Michael Matheson SNP
That point was raised at stages 1 and 2, and I will come to it in my speech. The issue was identified by the Crown, and I recognise that Margaret Mitchell an...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Would the cabinet secretary concede, however, that the Lord President and Sheriff Gordon Liddle, who is vice president of the Sheriff’s Association, had very...
Michael Matheson SNP
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Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I am honoured to open the stage 3 debate for Scottish Labour on the last bill to be considered in the fourth session of the Scottish Parliament. I would like...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Just take a moment. There is plenty of time.
Elaine Murray Lab
I have had this cough since 5 January. I wish it would go away. Opponents within the judiciary argue that similar directions will creep into other areas of ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill is, as others have mentioned, the last bill that the Parliament will consider as session 4 draws to a c...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
It has been my privilege to convene the Justice Committee for five years. I thank all the committee members for their hard work and, not least, for their tol...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
The member has talked about Lord Carloway’s comments. Will the member accept that he also said this? “What I am trying to say is that it could be done but i...
Christine Grahame SNP
Exactly—why do it this way if there is a better way of doing it? I think that the member has shot himself in the foot, no matter that he is a member of the F...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Before I call Malcolm Chisholm, I advise members that this is his valedictory speech. Like me, he has been a member since 1999 and, prior to that, he was a w...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Thank you for those very kind words, Presiding Officer. Today’s bill is another step in the significant progress on action against violence against women th...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
On 11 September 2013, I led a members’ business debate on the sensitive subject of revenge porn. It was then the subject of a new campaign by Scottish Women’...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The bill addresses the need to tackle the damage that is done by abusive behaviour and sexual harm. The Government has acknowledged that the bill deals with ...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates. I begin by acknowledging Alison McInnes’s immense contri...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Roderick Campbell SNP
I will—briefly.
Christine Grahame SNP
Does the member agree that juries may have preconceptions and prejudices in other types of case? For instance, if a young man with cropped hair and covered i...
Roderick Campbell SNP
I am not, for one minute, suggesting that this does not set a precedent, but we need to look at every case on its facts. We will see how the directions work ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Before I call Margaret McDougall, the chamber will wish to note that this is her valedictory speech. Margaret McDougall became a member in this session of Pa...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for your kind words. I am disappointed that the Scottish Government rejected my amendments to the bill, and I will continue to...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
A lot of work takes place before we get to this point in any piece of legislation, and I thank all the contributors that got us here. I will allude to infor...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I pay tribute to Malcolm Chisholm. It is fitting that he has made his final speech in this debate, because his contribution to tackling violence against wome...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
We now move to winding-up speeches. I call Annabel Goldie, who will give her final speech in Parliament. 16:29
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted to participate in this afternoon’s proceedings on the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill, which is the final piece of legislati...
The Presiding Officer NPA
On behalf of the Parliament, I would like to thank you for your substantial contribution to the Parliament as an MSP, as a committee convener and as the lead...
Elaine Murray Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I often wonder how much more can be said about a bill when we get to the final debate at stage 3. The cabinet secret...