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Meeting of the Parliament 10 March 2016

10 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill: Stage 3

I rise to support amendment 29, on fiscal rules and sustainability of public finances. As Jackie Baillie said, the Finance Committee agreed in its entirety on the matter for our report—there was no dissent whatsoever. I therefore look forward to hearing John Mason’s comments to see whether he is as keen on consistency for amendment 29 as he was for the previous group of amendments.

The committee’s agreement in January backed up its previous report on the fiscal framework in June of last year, when we made exactly the same recommendation. A day after stage 2, the Scottish Affairs Committee at Westminster seemed to support our view as well, because it said:

“An enhanced Scottish Fiscal Commission should monitor and report on the Scottish Government’s performance against those targets”—

namely, the fiscal targets that will be set out.

The fiscal framework itself, at paragraph 101, talks about relying, if there is a dispute, on the “technical input” of the Scottish Fiscal Commission. If the SFC is going to be of use in a dispute, it has to have as wide a remit as possible, rather than only producing the official forecast, as it is destined to do at the moment.

In lodging amendment 29, Jackie Baillie has made a number of changes to the amendment that she lodged at stage 2. She has removed any reference to policy objectives, which I think is the right thing to do. She has sought expert advice, and I know—as a matter of fact—that she shared it with all members of the committee at least a week ago to ensure that there were no technical objections and that we could debate purely the principle.

I note previous arguments that it is the job of Parliament to assess and scrutinise the long-term forecast of public finances. Yes, it is, but Parliament would certainly be aided in doing that job by having access to work that has been done by the Scottish Fiscal Commission.

Jackie Baillie read out two quotes from the Scottish Fiscal Commission, and I repeat what it said in its written submission to the Finance Committee:

“The SFC believes it should have responsibility for assessing the Scottish Government’s forecasts on the sustainability of Scotland’s public finances, such as adherence to fiscal rules as an example, and it would welcome the Bill being amended now to anticipate this additional responsibility when it arises.”

For all those reasons I support amendment 29. I genuinely hope that the Government will back it, so that we can have a Fiscal Commission that really is worth shouting about.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is stage 3 of the Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill. Interruption. Is there a problem? Thank you, Ms Baillie. In dealing with the am...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Group 1 is on forecasting. Amendment 1, in the name of the Deputy First Minister, is grouped with amendments 2 to 6, 8, 9, 12, 15 to 18, 20, 21 and 22.
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy (John Swinney) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak to the amendments. The fiscal framework requires the Scottish Fiscal Commission to prepare forecasts of tax revenu...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
At this stage, does the Deputy First Minister have a view on what is meant by “sufficient time”? Does it mean a day, a week or a month?
John Swinney SNP
In reality, I suspect that the time would probably be less than two weeks before the date of the budget. That will not be specified. We can probably shed mor...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I support and very much welcome amendment 1 and all the other amendments in the group. Scottish Labour first argued in January 2015 that the Fiscal Commissi...
Gavin Brown Con
The journey on fiscal forecasts has indeed been a rich tapestry, but I am delighted to say that we are getting there in the end. The change is probably the ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
It is no secret that, as one of the members of the Finance Committee, I have at no point been convinced that the SFC should do the forecasting. My main reaso...
John Swinney SNP
In her initial comments, Jackie Baillie said that she was rising to support the amendments. If that was a speech of support, I would hate to hear a speech th...
Gavin Brown Con
In that case, did the minister encourage or attempt to persuade SNP members on the committee to change their view at stage 2?
John Swinney SNP
I would make absolutely no attempt to try to persuade members of the committee to do anything other than what they thought was the right thing to do, in the ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Did the cabinet secretary perhaps share with them the negotiations that were going on on the fiscal framework?
John Swinney SNP
As Jackie Baillie knows, I have maintained absolute confidentiality around negotiations with the Treasury, which was the proper approach for me to take to en...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Group 2 is on review of performance against fiscal rules and sustainability of public finances. Amendment 29, in the name of Jackie Baillie, is the only amen...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Amendment 29 seeks to give the Fiscal Commission responsibility for, first, scrutinising the Government’s performance against fiscal rules and, secondly, con...
Gavin Brown Con
I rise to support amendment 29, on fiscal rules and sustainability of public finances. As Jackie Baillie said, the Finance Committee agreed in its entirety o...
John Swinney SNP
I welcome the opportunity to debate Jackie Baillie’s amendment, which, as she and Gavin Brown indicated, was debated at stage 2 in a different form, although...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Would it not be difficult for members to hold the Government to account on that issue if they did not have a level of analysis from the Fiscal Commission or ...
John Swinney SNP
My judgment is that there is no lack of financial information that circulates around in relation to the budget-setting process. Malcolm Chisholm and I are bo...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I was struck by the cabinet secretary’s comment that if further borrowing powers emerge, he might be prepared to look at this issue again. Is that not to con...
John Swinney SNP
At no stage did I use any of the language that Baroness Goldie used when she suggested the reasons why I do not support amendment 29. At no stage did I use t...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I intend to press the amendment. The cabinet secretary has deployed some of those arguments previously, so let me take them in turn. First, he says that thi...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will give way in a second. Audit Scotland has published a number of reports on developing financial reporting in Scotland, and it recently wrote to the Fi...
John Swinney SNP
I am grateful to Jackie Baillie for giving way. I wanted to intervene when Jackie Baillie set out Audit Scotland’s functions. Essentially, those functions a...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I do not think that the amendment is unnecessary, or that it provides duplication. Nevertheless, I suggested to the cabinet secretary a way of ensuring that ...
John Mason SNP
I make my intervention for the sake of completeness, seeing as Jackie Baillie mentioned me. I do not think that this issue is absolutely central. I felt ver...
Jackie Baillie Lab
John Mason says that he struggles to understand what difference my amendment would make. I simply observe that, for two years, he has nevertheless supported ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The question is, that amendment 29 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There will be a division. As this is the first division, I suspend the meeting for five minutes. 17:05 Meeting suspended. 17:10 On resuming—