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Meeting of the Parliament 25 February 2016

25 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
McMahon, Michael Lab Uddingston and Bellshill Watch on SPTV

I thank the staff of the non-Government bills unit, whose assistance has been invaluable to me over the past number of years.

I am also grateful to the people who contributed to my consultations, and to the legal experts and academics who provided me with advice and support in introducing the bill. They left me in no doubt at all that the bill is necessary. Had I been persuaded otherwise, I would not have persisted with it.

I thank the Justice Committee for its considered scrutiny of my bill and the people and organisations that responded to its call for evidence. To quote the committee’s stage 1 report:

“There is no legal difference between a not guilty and not proven verdict. This raises questions as to the merits of retaining both verdicts.”

To put it simply, a three-verdict system is illogical and confusing. That is particularly so when the jury is not allowed to receive guidance on the difference between the two acquittal verdicts, as Cameron Buchanan highlighted. Court rules prohibit the judge from explaining to a jury the difference between not proven and the other acquittal, not guilty.

As highlighted in the post-corroboration safeguards review report, the standard text on Scottish criminal procedure states:

“The jury should not be told the meaning of the not proven verdict; they need not even be told that it is a verdict of acquittal.”

How on earth can a verdict that cannot and must not be explained to a jury be available to that jury?

In its report, the Justice Committee acknowledged the confusion. It said:

“We note views that this confusion can lead to the effective defamation of the accused where the public believes the not proven verdict implies a degree of culpability; that the accused, in colloquial terms, ‘got away with it’. The Committee acknowledges that a not proven verdict may have social and indeed employment consequences that a not guilty verdict does not.”

However, we need to consider not only the people who are on trial when we deliberate reducing the three verdicts to two. We know that victims and relatives sometimes also find a not proven verdict unacceptable, as it denies them a sense of closure.

In its response to my consultation, Victim Support Scotland said:

“In our experience, for many victims and witnesses, a not proven verdict can be confusing and disappointing. Finality and certainty are crucial elements of an effective criminal justice system. This includes finality and certainty not just on the part of accused persons, but also for victims and victims’ families. A clear and transparent verdict of guilt or innocence from the justice system is often vital for providing victims with a sense of closure.”

In its response to the Justice Committee’s call for evidence, Rape Crisis Scotland said:

“Rape Crisis Scotland supports the removal of the not proven verdict. The not proven verdict is most commonly used in rape cases. According to the Scottish Government, the proportion of people receiving a not proven verdict ... was 15%, the highest for any crime type.”

If the not proven verdict is to be removed, it is essential that guilty verdicts are robust and that such convictions are safe. I recognise that, because that is what we were told in response to my consultation.

Let me respond to Christian Allard’s comments. It must make sense to increase the majority that is required to convict and to take both measures forward at the same time. That is what the evidence from my consultation suggested. In my first consultation, I was told that, if I had brought forward a proposal on the not proven verdict alone, without considering the jury issue, that would have been justification for voting it down. Therefore, he cannot really have it both ways: I cannot not discuss juries, only to have the issue used as a reason to not support the bill.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15429, in the name of Michael McMahon, on the Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill. 15:59
Michael McMahon (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open today’s debate on the Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill. Today we debate and vote on whether the Parliament agrees to the general princi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. 16:09
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, as you say, I am speaking on behalf of the Justice Committee and not in a personal capacity, but first I personally want to commend Michae...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
First, I would like to thank Michael McMahon and the non-Government bills unit for their work on this legislation. Like other members, I commend Michael McMa...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As Michael McMahon said, I lodged an amendment to his motion, and I am disappointed that the Presiding Officer did not select it for debate. I will neverthel...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to participate in this stage 1 debate on the Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill. Michael McMahon has waited some considerable time for the bill t...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
It has been a rollercoaster ride since I joined the Justice Committee in 2013. We have scrutinised many pieces of legislation, some of which we stopped, some...
Michael McMahon Lab
Will the member give way?
Christian Allard SNP
I am sorry, but I have only a few minutes. Perhaps the member can address the issue later. I would have been happy to consider abolishing the not proven ver...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to closing speeches. 16:38
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank members for the constructive debate this afternoon. It has been a pleasure to take part in it. Like others, I begin by paying tribute to Michael McM...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As is evident from this afternoon’s debate, changes to elements of criminal justice procedure are famously difficult to achieve and sometimes take decades—an...
Michael Matheson SNP
The debate has provided Parliament with a useful opportunity to look at the merits and shortcomings of having a three-verdict system in which two of the verd...
Christine Grahame SNP
This follows on from what Cameron Buchanan said. If the not proven verdict were to disappear, the abolition would also pertain when it is not a jury making t...
Michael Matheson SNP
Of course, and that is one of the issues that we can consider when we frame the research. Using real jurors also carries a risk of exposing the system or in...
Michael McMahon Lab
I thank the staff of the non-Government bills unit, whose assistance has been invaluable to me over the past number of years. I am also grateful to the peop...
Christian Allard SNP
I thank the member for taking my intervention. He is not the first person to have quoted Victim Support Scotland. I agree with him about the not proven verdi...
Michael McMahon Lab
That is one piece of evidence, but the majority of responses to the consultation suggested otherwise. That is all evidence that allows people to determine wh...
Michael McMahon Lab
I am sorry—I will not take an intervention. At present, a jury in Scotland can return a verdict of guilty when at least eight of its members are in favour o...