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Meeting of the Parliament 22 March 2016

22 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Amendments 3 to 14 would expand the scope of the intimate images offence at section 2 to cover intimate sound recordings and intimate written communications.

As I set out in the Scottish Government’s response to the Justice Committee’s stage 1 report, and as I explained when the stage 2 amendments were debated, we decided to focus the offence on the sharing of intimate images as almost all the cases that we are aware of have involved the sharing of images. Unfortunately, we are all too aware that there are websites that have been set up specifically to enable people to post intimate photographs or films of their partners or ex-partners. I am not aware of similar websites where people can post voice messages or emails written by or to their partner or ex-partner.

The sharing of images that could enable a complete stranger to identify the victim is a betrayal of trust, and breach of privacy, that is especially likely to cause distress. That is part of the justification for the new offence. It is worth remembering that prosecutors will still be able to use existing laws on the sharing of written or recorded material by using, for example, the Communications Act 2003 offence or the offence of threatening or abusive behaviour, in appropriate cases.

The committee’s stage 1 report noted that a majority of the committee supported restricting the scope of the offence to photographs and films and that the committee was mindful of the risk of unintended consequences if the bill took too wide an approach in this area. On unintended consequences, we note that the amendments would apply not only to intimate recordings that had been written or spoken by the victim, but to those that were directed to or left for the victim. As I explained at stage 2, one perverse effect would be that

“a person could face criminal liability for publishing or disclosing a communication that they themselves had written, or a voicemail message that they had left.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 1 March 2016; c 33-34.]

It might be helpful if I gave a practical example of the unintended consequences that could result from the amendments, which could criminalise behaviour in the following circumstances. Two 13-year-olds exchange text messages about a celebrity. During the exchange, one of the teenagers indicates that they fancy the celebrity and would like to have sexual relations with them. The other teenager decides to share that text message with other people in their class.

In that situation, a communication has taken place that a reasonable person could consider to be sexual in nature and that a reasonable person would expect to be kept private. The teenager who shared the text has committed a criminal offence if it can be shown that they were reckless about whether sharing the message would cause the other person fear, alarm or distress. Although it would probably be embarrassing and potentially distressing for the person whose message has been shared, our view is that the teenager who has shared the message should not be considered to be committing an offence in those circumstances.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should hav...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Amendment 3, in the name of Margaret McDougall, is grouped with amendments 4 to 14.
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Currently, the bill covers only the sharing of photographic images and film. Amendments 3 to 14, in my name, which are supported by Scottish Women’s Aid and ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I support the amendments in the name of my colleague Margaret McDougall. There is a gap in the bill that needs to be plugged. Margaret McDougall narrated ...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I do not support Margaret McDougall’s amendments; I did not support them at stage 2 and I do not believe that she has made her case. There is a danger of dra...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
As far as future proofing is concerned, I like to think that the impact of the legislation will be kept under review and, if necessary, consideration will be...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
Amendments 3 to 14 would expand the scope of the intimate images offence at section 2 to cover intimate sound recordings and intimate written communications....
John Finnie Ind
The cabinet secretary must have more faith in the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and, indeed, in the reporter system. It is a question of proport...
Michael Matheson SNP
That is precisely the point that I am making and that is the danger with the amendments in the group and how they could be interpreted. That is why we do not...
Margaret McDougall Lab
I thank John Finnie for his support for my amendments. I know that the sending of abusive messages is a criminal offence, but the same does not always apply...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The question is, that amendment 3 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There will be a division. This is the first division of the afternoon, so there will be a five-minute suspension. 14:30 Meeting suspended. 14:35 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The question is, that amendment 3 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There will be a division. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The result of the division is: For 34, Against 71, Abstentions 0. Amendment 3 disagreed to. Amendment 4 moved—Margaret McDougall.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The question is, that amendment 4 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There will be a division. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The result of the division is: For 34, Against 68, Abstentions 0. Amendment 4 disagreed to. Amendment 5 moved—Margaret McDougall.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The question is, that amendment 5 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There will be a division. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Baxter, Jayne (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The result of the division is: For 34, Against 69, Abstentions 0. Amendment 5 disagreed to. Amendments 6 to 12 not moved.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That takes us to group 2. Amendment 29, in the name of Dr Elaine Murray, is the only amendment in the group.
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
Amendment 29 is similar to my stage 2 amendment 4, which I lodged but did not press after agreement to discuss its intention further with the Cabinet Secreta...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I have some sympathy with the intention behind amendment 29, but I have real concerns about the definition of “public place”, and about how distribution, wit...
Michael Matheson SNP
Amendment 29, in the name of Elaine Murray, seeks to close a potential loophole in the operation of one of the defences to the intimate images offence. We ar...
Elaine Murray Lab
To answer Margaret Mitchell’s point, the cabinet secretary made it clear that a public place is where “members of the public were present”. Unless it was a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The question is, that amendment 29 be agreed to. Are we all agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
There will be a division. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP) Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) Al...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The result of the division is: For 96, Against 0, Abstentions 12. Amendment 29 agreed to. Amendments 13 and 14 not moved. After section 6
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We come to group 3. Amendment 30, in the name of Margaret Mitchell, is the only amendment in the group.