Committee
Local Government and Regeneration Committee 16 March 2016
16 Mar 2016 · S4 · Local Government and Regeneration Committee
Item of business
Subordinate Legislation
Disabled Persons (Badges for Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2016 (SSI 2016/72)
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay)
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Thank you. I welcome the opportunity to speak today. I have one point of immediate clarification on Dr Simpson’s question about children with learning disability: yes—for the avoidance of doubt, I confirm that they would be covered in the circumstances outlined. Now I turn to the other areas that Dr Simpson raised. The decision to lay these amendment regulations before Parliament was based on a recommendation from a working group set up by Transport Scotland. The working group, made up of representatives of disabled people’s organisations, local authorities and healthcare professionals, recommended to me that eligibility be extended to people with a diagnosed mental disorder, initially on a pilot basis to allow the impact of the change to be monitored and to ascertain how a change could be effected on a permanent basis. Convener, I will say at the outset that I do not like some of the terminology that is used, but we have to use it as it is already understood—“mental disorder” is one example of terminology that we may not be too keen on but which we have to use. 13:30 I am grateful to Dr Simpson for highlighting two areas of concern. First, he has identified that those who receive free personal care and reside in a residential care home lose their entitlement to attendance allowance after 28 days and so would be ineligible for a blue badge. It is not possible to determine exactly how many people that would be because not all people in that situation would meet the eligibility descriptor or want to apply for a badge. However, Dr Simpson’s concerns were discussed by the working group, including Alzheimer Scotland, last week, and it felt that people in that situation—such as those with severe dementia—would often be eligible for a badge on mobility grounds and that some of them would be unable to leave the care home at all. Therefore, the working group felt that at this stage it would be appropriate to proceed with the pilot as planned. I do not believe that Dr Simpson’s second concern, relating to people in receipt of either NHS continuing healthcare or hospital-based complex clinical care, is a significant issue. People in that situation are no different from anyone else who, by being in hospital for a considerable length of time, has their benefits stopped. It should be noted that blue badges cannot be awarded for a period of less than 12 months and indeed that, during the pilot, badges will be awarded for a fixed term of one year. One of the reasons why the working group recommended a pilot was because it is not possible to determine exactly how many people will apply for badges. By running an evaluation alongside the pilot, we are looking to test how eligibility is determined, the impact on applicants and potential applicants, and the blue badge scheme as a whole. That will help the working group and me determine how to effect a change on a permanent basis. Finally, a number of people have been very interested in moving on with this pilot study so that we can take the matter forward. I encourage the committee to make progress so that we can extend eligibility and make the progress that we all want.
In the same item of business
The Convener
SNP
The substantive agenda item is item 2, under which we will take evidence on motion S4M-15895, in the name of Dr Richard Simpson. I welcome Derek Mackay, Min...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
Thank you, convener. I am sorry to drag the committee here on such a busy day. This is a new experience for me—I have not moved an motion to annul a Scottish...
The Convener
SNP
You do not have the opportunity to respond to the minister until we get to the moving of your motion; you will be able to say what you want at that point.
Dr Simpson
Lab
That is excellent; I will conclude at that point.
The Convener
SNP
As there are no questions from members for Dr Simpson, would you make a statement, minister, please?
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay)
Thank you. I welcome the opportunity to speak today. I have one point of immediate clarification on Dr Simpson’s question about children with learning disabi...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you. As no member has a question for the minister, we will move on to agenda item 3, which is formal consideration of motion S4M-15895. I will set out...
Dr Simpson
Lab
Thank you. It is important to recognise that we are dealing with individuals; in Parliament, we tend to get lost in dealing with categories. The minister say...
The Convener
SNP
As there are no contributions from members, I call the minister.
Derek Mackay
I just want to outline to the committee that it has options here. A request has been made of me that I can certainly agree to, which is that the on-going pi...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you for that, minister. I ask Dr Simpson to respond and to press or withdraw the motion, please.
Dr Simpson
Lab
First, I welcome the fact that the minister has brought forward this SSI. At every stage, I have said that I support it. I do not wish to interrupt the pilot...
The Convener
SNP
Dr Simpson, this committee has kept a very close eye on this SSI. I believe that the original date of its discussion was given to you and I have to say that ...