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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 March 2016

16 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill
McGrigor, Jamie Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

Thank you, Presiding Officer. I refer members to my agricultural interests in the register of members’ interests.

Before I turn to the subject of this debate, since this will be my last speech in the Parliament after almost 17 years, I hope that the Presiding Officer will allow me to thank her and her staff and all the many others in this Parliament, from SPICe to the security staff, the official report, the facilities management helpdesk, the information technology team, the posties—especially Robert—the cleaning and catering staff and all my own staff members, especially Douglas Pattullo, and the Conservative press and research unit for the excellent support and help that they have given me over all these years.

I thank my wife Emma and my six wonderful children—Sibylla, Sarah, Alexander, Violet, Rosanna and Daisy, four of whom were born during my stay in this Parliament—for their patience and forbearance, sometimes of my bad moods, during the time that I have been an MSP. They have been my rock and I will always be very grateful for their love and support.

I feel sad to be leaving the Parliament after 17 years but excited at possible new avenues. As Jim Paice said to me the other day, “It’s better to go when they’re asking why you’re going rather than when you’re going.” [Laughter.]

I wish all the new MSPs who are elected on 5 May every success in representing the fine people of Scotland—particularly the Highlands and Islands. Many of the people in the Highlands and Islands live difficult lives on the edge, in places of incredible beauty but sometimes great hardship because they are difficult places in which to make a living.

I remain concerned about some of the rhetoric that has come from the Scottish Government’s supporters during the process of the land reform bill, many of whom I am sorry to say seem in need of a reality check. The Scottish Conservatives have always argued that community ownership can and does play a positive part in land management; indeed, previous Conservative Governments have introduced good legislation in the area. The well-known Highland author Jim Hunter, whom Mike Russell mentioned earlier, said to me publicly that the Conservative Party record on land reform was better than that of any other party in the United Kingdom but the fact remains that the vast majority of private landowners contribute significantly to the Scottish economy and there are many examples of good practice and significant investments being made that are helping to sustain jobs, provide affordable homes and boost economic growth in often fragile and remote rural communities.

Anyone who works in the countryside knows that the costs of maintaining land and estates in good order are significant; drainage, fencing, upkeep of buildings and cross-compliance issues are all practical costs. In many cases, those costs would fall on the public purse if ownership was transferred from individuals, which must surely be considered when decisions about sustainable developments are being made.

The Scottish Government needs to work with private landowners in just the same way as it would work with private industry anywhere else and recognise the huge contribution that they make to Scotland’s economy. It is also vital that landowners and tenants get on—what we want is a reform that causes that to happen on all sides. A better environment for doing agricultural business is surely what we should be looking for.

One of our other key concerns throughout this process has been to avoid doing things that would damage the tenanted farming sector and reduce the amount of land that landowners are willing to let out to the tenanted sector. I share the genuine concern of landowners, the NFUS and many tenant farmers that the Scottish Government’s decision to force through changes in relation to the relinquishment and assignation of 1991 act tenancies will simply decrease confidence in the sector and reduce the number of tenanted farms that are made available.

My colleague Alex Fergusson was completely right to argue that the relevant section of the bill should be removed entirely and that such matters should be deferred to the next session of Parliament to be dealt with in a separate bill, because getting the decisions on agricultural tenancies right is too important to be rushed through in this way. More time and a serious, detailed debate are needed if a working environment is to be produced in which both sides are happy to do business with each other. That is how the land that produces the food will be improved, which is the vital thing about the whole agricultural industry.

Although there might be different ideological views around the chamber, uppermost in all members’ minds should be the need to make good, workable legislation that is understood, and not just for the benefit of lawyers. Increasingly over the past session, there has been a move to reduce the amount of detail in bills and to put more onus on secondary legislation and regulations. That tendency is never plainer to see than in the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. In that regard, I welcome the recent comments of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee about the bill’s provisions and note the concerns from across the chamber about the delay in the Scottish Government’s response to the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee’s stage 1 report.

The process has been driven not by evidence but by politics, and the defeat of the minister’s land reform motion at the SNP conference has had more impact on the content of the bill than the years of debate, discussion and evidence taking that have taken place. Surely that is a poor indictment of how the SNP makes law for Scotland. It would be a poor indictment for any Government to follow those principles, for they are wrong and they ignore the advice that is being given by the industry, which must be a bad thing.

On the reintroduction of rates for shooting and deer forests, I think that the Scottish Government is pushing ahead with a move that can only hurt an important section of the rural economy, and one that is of particular significance to my region of the Highlands and Islands. The stage 1 report said that the case for that change had simply not been made and warned about the impact on deer management as a result of the loss of game managers, gamekeepers and stalking jobs. Those jobs matter. It is deeply unfortunate that the Scottish Government has ignored the committee’s report and is ploughing ahead with a move that I am sure it may well regret in future years as the consequences of its actions and their effect on rural businesses become clear.

There are some elements of the bill that we support, but because of our very serious concerns about key parts of it, especially those on agricultural tenancy reform and the reintroduction of rates for shooting and deer forests, we cannot support the bill and will vote against it tonight.

Before I depart the stage, if you will allow me, Presiding Officer, I would like to pay tribute to Alex Fergusson, who has borne the brunt of our opposition to the bill, and all the work that that has involved, on his extremely broad shoulders. Time will tell on who was right and who was wrong, but he has done his job magnificently, and I hope that he will buy me a drink later on. [Laughter.]

I have enjoyed my bouts with too many members to name: Mr Lochhead, Mr Wheelhouse, Mr Gibson, Mr Thompson, Mr Allan and Mr Russell are just some of them; I cannot name them all.

So, farewell Scottish Parliament and godspeed. [Applause.]

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15925, in the name of Aileen McLeod, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. I invite members who wish to spe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Food and Environment (Richard Lochhead) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Land Reform (Scotland)...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Today marks an important new chapter in Scotland’s land reform story. Scottish Labour has worked hard and, I hope, in a co-operative manner to secure stronge...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Alex Fergusson. This will be Mr Fergusson’s final speech in the chamber. 17:56
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I start by drawing members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank the clerks to the Rural Affai...
Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
Will the member reflect on the fact that what he says about a competitive disadvantage would be true only if shooting were price sensitive? There is no evide...
Alex Fergusson Con
I hear what the member says, but if he had listened to my contribution when we were discussing amendments, he would have heard me quoting the British Associa...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Does Alex Fergusson have any evidence that there has been improvement and non-decline in the tenanted sector over the past 20, 30 or 40 years?
Alex Fergusson Con
No, but my belief is that, had we worked towards the conversion model that all stakeholders were working towards and making progress with before the new idea...
The Presiding Officer NPA
On behalf of the Parliament, I thank Alex Fergusson for his contribution as an MSP, as a committee convener and, of course, as Presiding Officer between 2007...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
In tribute to Alex Fergusson, I have always championed his right to say what he believes to be correct, even if we disagree—very often fundamentally—about hi...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I am very happy to be involved in this debate, which is very dear to my heart. I would go so far as to say that, alongside seeing what poverty and disadvanta...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I ask members to note that this will be Dave Thompson’s valedictory speech in our Parliament. We thank him for his nine years of service to the Parliament an...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Thank you very much for your kind remarks, Presiding Officer. I believe that the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill is the single most important bill with which I ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I am a bit concerned that the member is totally ignoring the role of people such as Brian Wilson in the land reform debate. The member is ignoring what Brian...
Dave Thompson SNP
I do not really understand the relevance of the member’s comment to what I was saying. While we are talking about the Tories, I must correct the record foll...
Alex Fergusson Con
Will the member give way?
Dave Thompson SNP
I am sorry, but I need to make progress. I have a few other points that I need to get in. The transformative effects of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill shou...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
Liberal Democrats have long been advocates of land reform in Scotland, so it may be fitting to recognise the work of Ross Finnie, the Lib Dem minister who le...
Rob Gibson SNP
The member should realise that, when the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill was passed in 2003, there were more than 230 amendments to it, and I am sure that a simi...
Jim Hume LD
I appreciate that intervention from Rob Gibson, and I think that he would also appreciate that, whoever is in Government, it is always best to get the amendm...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I am not sure about the analogies to giving birth, but today feels a little like waving a child off into the big bad world. You have invested considerable ti...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It is concerning to learn that so many of the members who spoke in this afternoon’s debate are standing down. One wonders who will be left to do the hard wor...
Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
I am very conscious this evening, after a very long day of debate, that we are now reflecting upon where we stand not just now but for the future. We stand ...
Michael Russell SNP
I give way to Fergus Ewing.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Ewing—when you are ready. I hope that it is as soon as possible.
Fergus Ewing SNP
My apologies, Presiding Officer. Since Mr Russell has raised the issue of deer management, I will say that recently I had the pleasure of addressing the an...
Michael Russell SNP
That is a very good question. It can be avoided in the future, and I regard leaving carcases in that way and any such practice as unacceptable. The way to re...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the many people who have been involved in the good work to get us to this point. The policy memorandum says: “Land, both rural and urban, is ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
We move to closing speeches. I call Jamie McGrigor. This is Mr McGrigor’s final speech in the Parliament. 19:00