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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 March 2016

16 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill

That is a very good question. It can be avoided in the future, and I regard leaving carcases in that way and any such practice as unacceptable. The way to resolve the issue is to ensure that Scottish Natural Heritage does what it is meant to do by statute: act in those circumstances, and not stand back as it has done. That is also an argument for much stronger statutory deer management.

I want to pay tribute to a number of people. I certainly pay tribute to the ministers. Aileen McLeod and Richard Lochhead have both been friends of mine over a period of time, and I hope that they still are friends of mine after the experience of the past nine months. That has sometimes been slightly fraught, but I pay tribute to both of them for their determination to get the bill into the form that it needed to be in.

I pay tribute to the clerks, the interest groups, the civil servants and those who have campaigned on the issue—to those who are in organised campaign groups, those who have spoken very loudly and led on the matter, and people in the press. In particular, I pay tribute to The National, which has taken the issue as one of enormous importance and driven it forward.

I pay tribute to those who have changed my thinking on the matter. I have not always felt as passionately about change in rural Scotland as I do now. A lot of that has been formed by the experience of being the member for Argyll and Bute and spending long evenings talking to people about the issues. Those long evenings have often been with the Rozga family at Kilmeny on Islay. They, Catriona Bell and a whole group of people on Islay developed my thinking about how change must come. There is still change to come.

I also pay tribute to the members of the committee. I have lived, eaten, breathed and occasionally slept land reform over the past nine-month period. I have done that with a group of people who have usually been excellent company. I will pick out three in particular.

I have known Dave Thompson since the 1970s, when we both worked for Comhairle nan Eilean Siar. He has been assiduous in his work on the issue and for his constituents just north of my constituency.

I have sat next to Alex Fergusson every Wednesday for the past year and a half, and we have found ourselves from time to time in complete agreement and from time to time in complete opposition. However, he has been very good company. He will be missed in the Parliament not just because he is good company but because he is wise and because the manner in which he argues with people is one that we should all endeavour to emulate.

The convener of the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, Rob Gibson, has been a friend of mine for more than 30 years. I have always been fond of his company and I have enormous respect for him. That has grown in the past 18 months. He has been an exceptional convener of the committee and has steered the bill and other matters through with great ability, including the ability to draw people in and get the best from them. I am immensely grateful for the time that I have spent with him, and I shall not forget it.

Land reform is a work in progress. In every country, it has been approached differently. Scotland has particular difficulties. We now have to take the issue forward. We can certainly do that by consensus, but we also take it forward with a democratic mandate. I am sure that the parties that are seeking the renewal of their democratic mandate in the election will put arguments to the people of Scotland, but the people of Scotland want change. There is no doubt about that. That is not universal across the country, and the desire can change from place to place, but change is demanded. We have delivered substantial, good change today, but more is to come, particularly in the area of the right to buy.

We have made big steps forward in the bill, and everybody who has been involved should be pleased with that, but we are also redefining the nature of our relationship to land in Scotland. That has been a long time coming, and that is perhaps what we lost through two centuries of mismanagement and very often unforgettable and unforgivable cruelty to people who had to leave this country.

In finishing, let me draw attention to a historical coincidence. The tenant of Patrick Sellar’s farm is in the public gallery. A line connects us to the events of April 1816, when Patrick Sellar went on trial for practices that are now infamous. That led to an awful amount of suffering in Scotland. We are in the process of undoing some of those things and righting some of those wrongs. We are modernising our relationship to the land, and what a wonderful task that is.

18:54  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15925, in the name of Aileen McLeod, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. I invite members who wish to spe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Food and Environment (Richard Lochhead) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Land Reform (Scotland)...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Today marks an important new chapter in Scotland’s land reform story. Scottish Labour has worked hard and, I hope, in a co-operative manner to secure stronge...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Alex Fergusson. This will be Mr Fergusson’s final speech in the chamber. 17:56
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I start by drawing members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank the clerks to the Rural Affai...
Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
Will the member reflect on the fact that what he says about a competitive disadvantage would be true only if shooting were price sensitive? There is no evide...
Alex Fergusson Con
I hear what the member says, but if he had listened to my contribution when we were discussing amendments, he would have heard me quoting the British Associa...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Does Alex Fergusson have any evidence that there has been improvement and non-decline in the tenanted sector over the past 20, 30 or 40 years?
Alex Fergusson Con
No, but my belief is that, had we worked towards the conversion model that all stakeholders were working towards and making progress with before the new idea...
The Presiding Officer NPA
On behalf of the Parliament, I thank Alex Fergusson for his contribution as an MSP, as a committee convener and, of course, as Presiding Officer between 2007...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
In tribute to Alex Fergusson, I have always championed his right to say what he believes to be correct, even if we disagree—very often fundamentally—about hi...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I am very happy to be involved in this debate, which is very dear to my heart. I would go so far as to say that, alongside seeing what poverty and disadvanta...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I ask members to note that this will be Dave Thompson’s valedictory speech in our Parliament. We thank him for his nine years of service to the Parliament an...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Thank you very much for your kind remarks, Presiding Officer. I believe that the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill is the single most important bill with which I ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I am a bit concerned that the member is totally ignoring the role of people such as Brian Wilson in the land reform debate. The member is ignoring what Brian...
Dave Thompson SNP
I do not really understand the relevance of the member’s comment to what I was saying. While we are talking about the Tories, I must correct the record foll...
Alex Fergusson Con
Will the member give way?
Dave Thompson SNP
I am sorry, but I need to make progress. I have a few other points that I need to get in. The transformative effects of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill shou...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
Liberal Democrats have long been advocates of land reform in Scotland, so it may be fitting to recognise the work of Ross Finnie, the Lib Dem minister who le...
Rob Gibson SNP
The member should realise that, when the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill was passed in 2003, there were more than 230 amendments to it, and I am sure that a simi...
Jim Hume LD
I appreciate that intervention from Rob Gibson, and I think that he would also appreciate that, whoever is in Government, it is always best to get the amendm...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I am not sure about the analogies to giving birth, but today feels a little like waving a child off into the big bad world. You have invested considerable ti...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It is concerning to learn that so many of the members who spoke in this afternoon’s debate are standing down. One wonders who will be left to do the hard wor...
Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
I am very conscious this evening, after a very long day of debate, that we are now reflecting upon where we stand not just now but for the future. We stand ...
Michael Russell SNP
I give way to Fergus Ewing.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Ewing—when you are ready. I hope that it is as soon as possible.
Fergus Ewing SNP
My apologies, Presiding Officer. Since Mr Russell has raised the issue of deer management, I will say that recently I had the pleasure of addressing the an...
Michael Russell SNP
That is a very good question. It can be avoided in the future, and I regard leaving carcases in that way and any such practice as unacceptable. The way to re...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the many people who have been involved in the good work to get us to this point. The policy memorandum says: “Land, both rural and urban, is ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
We move to closing speeches. I call Jamie McGrigor. This is Mr McGrigor’s final speech in the Parliament. 19:00