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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 March 2016

16 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill

I appreciate that intervention from Rob Gibson, and I think that he would also appreciate that, whoever is in Government, it is always best to get the amendments and the bill right at the beginning. We had a 139-page amended bill today, with 43 pages of amendments. Legislate in haste; repent at leisure. Who knows whether we could have made it a more ambitious piece of legislation if we had not left it until the dying days of the parliamentary session?

The Government came late in this parliamentary session to land reform, but I appreciate where we are now and look forward to the bill progressing and to land reform being scrutinised in the future.

Time will not allow me to tackle all the issues that have arisen from the bill and that will arise from the bill. My views are on the record of many a Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee meeting. There were four committee meetings at stage 2 of the bill, of which I believe one sat for a record length of time. I shall note a few issues, however.

Waygo has long been a concern and I believe that we have a more fit-for-purpose waygo system in this bill, which I believe and hope will put the negotiation position of the tenant back to a better situation for them. Before this bill I was vocally concerned about the lack of trust that there is in the letting of land, and about how I believe that has led to land not being let through fear of losing ownership of the land.

I know that more farms are being farmed in hand daily and I fear that the bill may not address that issue properly. We need a clarion call from this Parliament and the next Parliament that Scotland is open for business and that it is safe to let land.

We all talk about getting young or new entrants into the use of land, whether for farming or other uses. I believe that sabre rattling by some MSPs has perhaps done nothing more than accentuate that problem, albeit it may have helped their profiles in their local media. However, that is hardly what we are here for.

At stages 2 and 3 of this bill I have been at pains to ensure that the tenant farming commissioner should be someone with practical experience, who knows the ground and the many ways of working land, so that they can best judge this land reform bill in its progress. At the same time I sought assurances that there would be a fixed term for the commissioner.

We heard from the minister that the fixed term would be a maximum of eight years. I appreciate the Government informing me of that at stage 3. It is unfortunate that we did not get that reassurance at stage 2, but I appreciate where we are today. I think that that is the correct way forward and I shall, of course, continue to monitor the suitability of the tenant farming commissioner as to their role in land reform as we move forward.

I have been on the RACCE Committee for five years and I must congratulate my fellow MSPs. We have all got on fairly well. Of course we did not always agree, but that is what debates are about. We mainly came to consensus. Three of the members of that committee are standing down and we have heard from them today. I would like to pay a special tribute to Alex Fergusson, Rob Gibson, and even Dave Thompson, thank them for some interesting times on the RACCE Committee and wish them well in whatever they do in the future.

The bill has raised many issues: deer management, agricultural tenancies, a welcome extension of land reform to the urban setting and the establishment of a tenant farming commission. I look forward to supporting the bill at decision time, and hope that its rushed nature does not lead to any unintended consequences. I look forward to land reform in the next session of Parliament and see a positive future for our agriculture, tenants and land businesses.

18:33  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15925, in the name of Aileen McLeod, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. I invite members who wish to spe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Food and Environment (Richard Lochhead) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I advise Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Land Reform (Scotland)...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Today marks an important new chapter in Scotland’s land reform story. Scottish Labour has worked hard and, I hope, in a co-operative manner to secure stronge...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Alex Fergusson. This will be Mr Fergusson’s final speech in the chamber. 17:56
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I start by drawing members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank the clerks to the Rural Affai...
Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
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Alex Fergusson Con
I hear what the member says, but if he had listened to my contribution when we were discussing amendments, he would have heard me quoting the British Associa...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Does Alex Fergusson have any evidence that there has been improvement and non-decline in the tenanted sector over the past 20, 30 or 40 years?
Alex Fergusson Con
No, but my belief is that, had we worked towards the conversion model that all stakeholders were working towards and making progress with before the new idea...
The Presiding Officer NPA
On behalf of the Parliament, I thank Alex Fergusson for his contribution as an MSP, as a committee convener and, of course, as Presiding Officer between 2007...
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
In tribute to Alex Fergusson, I have always championed his right to say what he believes to be correct, even if we disagree—very often fundamentally—about hi...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
I am very happy to be involved in this debate, which is very dear to my heart. I would go so far as to say that, alongside seeing what poverty and disadvanta...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
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Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
Thank you very much for your kind remarks, Presiding Officer. I believe that the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill is the single most important bill with which I ...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I am a bit concerned that the member is totally ignoring the role of people such as Brian Wilson in the land reform debate. The member is ignoring what Brian...
Dave Thompson SNP
I do not really understand the relevance of the member’s comment to what I was saying. While we are talking about the Tories, I must correct the record foll...
Alex Fergusson Con
Will the member give way?
Dave Thompson SNP
I am sorry, but I need to make progress. I have a few other points that I need to get in. The transformative effects of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill shou...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
Liberal Democrats have long been advocates of land reform in Scotland, so it may be fitting to recognise the work of Ross Finnie, the Lib Dem minister who le...
Rob Gibson SNP
The member should realise that, when the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill was passed in 2003, there were more than 230 amendments to it, and I am sure that a simi...
Jim Hume LD
I appreciate that intervention from Rob Gibson, and I think that he would also appreciate that, whoever is in Government, it is always best to get the amendm...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
I am not sure about the analogies to giving birth, but today feels a little like waving a child off into the big bad world. You have invested considerable ti...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It is concerning to learn that so many of the members who spoke in this afternoon’s debate are standing down. One wonders who will be left to do the hard wor...
Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
I am very conscious this evening, after a very long day of debate, that we are now reflecting upon where we stand not just now but for the future. We stand ...
Michael Russell SNP
I give way to Fergus Ewing.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Ewing—when you are ready. I hope that it is as soon as possible.
Fergus Ewing SNP
My apologies, Presiding Officer. Since Mr Russell has raised the issue of deer management, I will say that recently I had the pleasure of addressing the an...
Michael Russell SNP
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the many people who have been involved in the good work to get us to this point. The policy memorandum says: “Land, both rural and urban, is ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
We move to closing speeches. I call Jamie McGrigor. This is Mr McGrigor’s final speech in the Parliament. 19:00