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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 10 March 2016

10 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill

I will begin on a positive note. The bill that we now have—the bill that I hope will pass at decision time today—is considerably better than the bill that was originally drafted. The bill as introduced had a number of flaws. First, it allowed only the Scottish Government to do the forecasts; it did not really encourage any alternative forecasts to be published, and the cabinet secretary made clear his view that there ought not to be any alternative forecasts.

The position was that the Scottish Fiscal Commission was simply to assess the “reasonableness” of the Scottish Government forecasts. In looking through that over the course of the budget process, I note that the reasonableness test was such a low bar that it was difficult to foresee a situation where the commission would do anything other than pass the Government’s forecasts as reasonable. When quizzed on whether it could suggest any numbers at all that would be deemed to be unreasonable, the commission was unable to say so. It stated bluntly that it did not look at the numbers. It did not look at the outputs at all; it looked at the models underpinning those numbers.

I hugely welcome the amendments that were passed in group 1 earlier today. They were fundamental. I genuinely think that, without them, we would not have had a Fiscal Commission worthy of the name. Without them, we would have had a series of educated, useful, intelligent advisers who would make the budget process better than it would be without them but would be nowhere close to being what is known internationally as an independent fiscal institution. That change to the bill rescued the commission from being something that would still have been a little helpful, perhaps, but would have been of almost no real regard in terms of scrutiny, particularly concerning the powers that will be introduced in the years to come. That makes a huge improvement and, for that reason, we will continue to support the bill and will vote for it at stage 3.

However, having worked on the matter for well over two years now, I have to say that I am left with a bit of a feeling of dissatisfaction at the end of the process, for a number of the reasons that Jackie Baillie outlined in her speech. I guess that I have been working on the Finance Committee for a couple of years extra as it has taken into account a huge amount of evidence over the course of the process.

I am disappointed that we do not have an amendment to ensure that the commission addresses the sustainability of the finances and the adherence to the fiscal rules. That seems to happen throughout the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries. We have looked at the materials from the Scottish Parliament information centre, which got a document from the OECD, and we have been examining practice in 17 countries. All 17 of them consider at least one or the other. All 17 consider the long-term sustainability or the monitoring of fiscal rules, and nine of the 17 do both. The fact that we will do neither here makes us a bit of an outlier.

I was dissatisfied, too, with the Finance Committee at stage 2. I will return to that in closing. In attempting to be helpful by answering a question from me, the cabinet secretary has just opened up more questions. At stage 1, we all agreed in relation to fiscal rules, without anyone going away from it, and we all thought that that was the way we had to go. We had held that position for well over a year. Then, all of a sudden, at stage 2, four members of the Finance Committee voted against the relevant amendment, which failed. If the cabinet secretary did not attempt to put any pressure on those committee members at all, and if confidentiality was maintained—I have no reason whatever to doubt that—what was it that made those members change their minds? What was the intervening evidence between the report being published in the middle of January and the vote being taken in early February that made them vote the way that they did? As a committee member and a member of the Parliament, I think that we are entitled to an explanation of why that was the case. I hope that we get that over the course of the debate.

17:39  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15869, in the name of John Swinney, on the Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill. 17:20
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy (John Swinney) SNP
The Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill will ensure that there is an independent fiscal institution operating at the heart of Scotland’s devolved fiscal framewor...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
What resources will the Scottish Government have? The cabinet secretary is talking about the possibility of the Government rejecting a commission forecast. W...
John Swinney SNP
I intend to maintain the resources within Government to ensure that we can satisfy ourselves that we have a forecast from the Fiscal Commission that we belie...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I very much welcome the opportunity to participate in this stage 3 debate on the Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill. At the outset, I thank my colleagues on the...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will begin on a positive note. The bill that we now have—the bill that I hope will pass at decision time today—is considerably better than the bill that wa...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am happy to speak in today’s debate. I very much welcome the fact that we have a Fiscal Commission in place. We are now going to have a strengthened Fiscal...
Jackie Baillie Lab
John Mason has believed in the measure for more than two years. It was not about hunting for something to disagree with; it was about making sure that we hav...
John Mason SNP
We have that. As I have said, a major issue is who does the forecasting. Jackie Baillie’s amendment was on a peripheral issue. I find it hard to get excited ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Draw to a close, please.
John Mason SNP
Right. We have been very generous so far with the Fiscal Commission. It costs £850,000, which is more than the Irish or the Swedes get, and we should not thr...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
As members have explained, this has been a long and twisting road. I am afraid that I have not been able to follow every turn—I am not on the Finance Committ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We come to the closing speeches. I understand that this will be Gavin Brown’s last speech so, on behalf of the Presiding Officers, I thank him for his contri...
Gavin Brown Con
Presiding Officer, I did not realise until now that this would be my last speech. You obviously know something that I do not. The whip in this Parliament mus...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I have come late to the topic. I have not served on the Finance Committee, although I have watched some of its ambulations over the period. We have reached a...
John Swinney SNP
I begin with a comment that Malcolm Chisholm made. He was concerned about the Government maintaining its capacity to undertake the tax-forecasting function t...
Gavin Brown Con
Of course that responsibility falls to Parliament but, as we have heard time and time again, members of Parliament will be aided by the SFC’s analysis. As pa...
John Swinney SNP
That is a matter of opinion on which Mr Brown and I are going to have to disagree. There is plenty of information and analysis available that will enable Par...
John Swinney SNP
If Jamie McGrigor will forgive me, I am going to have to bring my remarks to a close. Mr Brown has not always been my strongest ally on what I have brought ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
That concludes the debate on the Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill. Before we move to the next item of business, I am minded at this stage to accept a motion ...