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Meeting of the Parliament 10 March 2016

10 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Lobbying (Scotland) Bill

The level of transparency in our Government and its openness to the public are both crucial aspects of a healthy democracy, which makes it so important that we get the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill right. I have always maintained that, if the bill is to be effective, it must—as I have said earlier—take a proportionate approach that increases transparency in our decision-making process without deterring participation in the first place. It appears that, after much deliberation, we have reached a point where the correct balance has been struck in our opinion, and I am pleased to say that we Scottish Conservatives will therefore be supporting the bill at decision time.

It has been right to seek a collaborative approach to the proposed legislation, which is worth bearing in mind as we consider how to ensure that the potential registrants and the wider public are ready for its provisions coming into force. It is essential that the provisions that are imposed by the bill are clearly understood so that they do not create any disincentive to participation in public decision making. A long-term principle of our democratic process is that the wider the range of views that are heard in policy making, the better the policy will be.

As I have said before, lobbying is not about closed-door deals between vested interests and powerful decision makers; it is about the fundamental matter of having an open political process in which all manner of ideas, views and contributions are welcome. Wide-ranging participation is crucial to a healthy democracy. It should therefore be clear that organisations and members of the public should be free to discuss matters of interest with their elected representatives, and they should feel that it is hassle free to do so.

I have already underlined how important it has been to keep that in mind throughout our deliberations on the scope of the register, and I emphasise the need to continue promoting openness in any requirements that come into force. A crucial aspect of maintaining openness and accessibility is the availability of help or guidance to assist potential registrants. The aim, after all, is to increase transparency, not to catch anyone out. I was therefore very pleased that my amendment requiring the publication of guidance on the operation of the register was passed at stage 2. Such guidance is simply too important to be discretionary, and we must ensure that it is clear, thorough and targeted in its explanations of what does and does not count as regulated lobbying, and of what any on-going requirements are. Ideally, the guidance would remove the need for complex compliance operations or expensive lawyers, so that we can all get on with the business of conducting politics in an open way, which all parties support.

Furthermore, putting in an effort to have a clear, collaborative process in place would minimise the chance of stakeholders simply pulling out of the public decision-making process, as well as decreasing the likelihood of unintentional mistakes in compliance. If we achieve such a collaborative culture around lobbying, I believe that we will have struck the optimal situation in which all our processes are transparent and maintain their strength through accessibility.

I am pleased to say that the bill as it now stands appears to reach that balance, and we Scottish Conservatives therefore put our support behind it.

16:22  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15870, in the name of Joe FitzPatrick, on the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill. 15:48
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
In opening this debate, I would like to thank all members for their contributions to the development of the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill, which I hope the Parlia...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
On a scale of one to 10, at which level of transparency does the minister believe the bill sits in comparison with what happens in other jurisdictions?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I think that the bill sits in absolutely the correct place, balancing transparency and proportionality for Scottish circumstances, going back to Helen Eadie’...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I understand what the minister is saying, and none of us would disagree with where he is trying to get to. However, the amendment that was agreed to today me...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
We have tried to strike a balance that reflects the work of a constituency member. Certainly, if I am approached by a business that operates in my constituen...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I do not think that the minister believed a word of that. This is not one of the Parliament’s finest days. It is a day of mixed feelings for me. In one sens...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Prior to the bill’s introduction, ministers have recorded their meetings, which was always a means of having transparency. We are moving towards an election...
Neil Findlay Lab
The minister is going way off at a tangent. I am up for openness and transparency—the more of it that we have, the better.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Will the member answer my question?
Neil Findlay Lab
We will come to some of those issues in a moment. The public want to know and have a right to know what is being done in their name. They should know whethe...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I realise that the member did not attend all the committee’s evidence sessions. If he had, he would have heard representatives of the major lobbying organisa...
Neil Findlay Lab
Excellent, but I bet that none of them put forward the nonsensical amendments that we have seen today. We are hearing about FOI exemptions being used to pre...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
For the record, I clarify that it was the late Helen Eadie who requested that the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee pursue an inquiry.
Neil Findlay Lab
The Government also asked the current convener to host that inquiry, as the minister confirmed in the letter that he sent to me. The bill was watered down t...
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will begin by addressing Mr Findlay’s last point—the IOD and other groups are covered by the bill because they are big organisations. It was definitely the...
Neil Findlay Lab
From the research that I have seen, my understanding is that the IOD is not a big enough organisation to be covered, because it does not have enough employees.
Cameron Buchanan Con
It might not have enough employees, but it has members, and that is the same sort of thing. I think that we can agree that it is important to have a democra...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. 16:09
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Several references to Helen Eadie have already been made in this debate, and I think that it is a mark of the affection in which she is held that only today ...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I rise to speak in the debate with a feeling of dismay about the bill that we are passing today. I say that as someone who was not initially a supporter of t...
Cameron Buchanan Con
The level of transparency in our Government and its openness to the public are both crucial aspects of a healthy democracy, which makes it so important that ...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour supports the principle of a lobbying bill and the need for the introduction of legislation in this area. Despite voting for it at decision ti...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I welcome the fact that members have subjected the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill to close scrutiny throughout its parliamentary passage, and today has been no dif...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That concludes the debate on the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill.