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Meeting of the Parliament 10 March 2016

10 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Lobbying (Scotland) Bill

The Government also asked the current convener to host that inquiry, as the minister confirmed in the letter that he sent to me.

The bill was watered down to such an extent that, when we attended an expert seminar on the bill at the University of Stirling, a US professor of public policy who is an authority on lobbying said that, if the US system gets six out of 10 for transparency, the bill gets two at best. Of course, since then, the bill has got a whole lot worse because of the ridiculous amendments that were moved by the minister today—a minister who has shown zero interest in, enthusiasm for or knowledge of the issue since day 1.

In its present form, the bill is as clear a statement as anyone could wish for that the Government has no interest in enhancing the principles of openness, transparency and accountability that the Parliament was supposedly founded upon. I am afraid that these are now tokenistic words that fail to match the reality for the public and their representatives, who are searching for answers to serious questions. After nine years in government, the SNP is Scotland’s new establishment, and it is more interested in protecting its associations, its networks and the web of helpful connections that it has built up in that time and in looking as though it is up for scrutiny while closing it down at every turn.

If the minister’s remit from the First Minister was to make the bill tokenistic, weak and full of loopholes, he has passed with flying colours, but it is not something that he should be proud of. When the bill is passed, he will have done his party proud but the Parliament will have missed a major opportunity to reform our democracy for the better.

We will support the bill despite its being woefully inadequate, because at least it gets lobbying on the statute book. However, we will seek to amend almost every element of it at the review in the next session of Parliament to make it fit for purpose. A bill that fails to recognise that we live in an electronic age, a bill that means that the Confederation of British Industry, the Institute of Directors and others are not covered and a bill that allows the political elite to use their contact books for commercial advancement without any scrutiny is a bill that is not fit for purpose.

16:05  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15870, in the name of Joe FitzPatrick, on the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill. 15:48
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
In opening this debate, I would like to thank all members for their contributions to the development of the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill, which I hope the Parlia...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
On a scale of one to 10, at which level of transparency does the minister believe the bill sits in comparison with what happens in other jurisdictions?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I think that the bill sits in absolutely the correct place, balancing transparency and proportionality for Scottish circumstances, going back to Helen Eadie’...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I understand what the minister is saying, and none of us would disagree with where he is trying to get to. However, the amendment that was agreed to today me...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
We have tried to strike a balance that reflects the work of a constituency member. Certainly, if I am approached by a business that operates in my constituen...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I do not think that the minister believed a word of that. This is not one of the Parliament’s finest days. It is a day of mixed feelings for me. In one sens...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Prior to the bill’s introduction, ministers have recorded their meetings, which was always a means of having transparency. We are moving towards an election...
Neil Findlay Lab
The minister is going way off at a tangent. I am up for openness and transparency—the more of it that we have, the better.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Will the member answer my question?
Neil Findlay Lab
We will come to some of those issues in a moment. The public want to know and have a right to know what is being done in their name. They should know whethe...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I realise that the member did not attend all the committee’s evidence sessions. If he had, he would have heard representatives of the major lobbying organisa...
Neil Findlay Lab
Excellent, but I bet that none of them put forward the nonsensical amendments that we have seen today. We are hearing about FOI exemptions being used to pre...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
For the record, I clarify that it was the late Helen Eadie who requested that the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee pursue an inquiry.
Neil Findlay Lab
The Government also asked the current convener to host that inquiry, as the minister confirmed in the letter that he sent to me. The bill was watered down t...
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
I will begin by addressing Mr Findlay’s last point—the IOD and other groups are covered by the bill because they are big organisations. It was definitely the...
Neil Findlay Lab
From the research that I have seen, my understanding is that the IOD is not a big enough organisation to be covered, because it does not have enough employees.
Cameron Buchanan Con
It might not have enough employees, but it has members, and that is the same sort of thing. I think that we can agree that it is important to have a democra...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. 16:09
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Several references to Helen Eadie have already been made in this debate, and I think that it is a mark of the affection in which she is held that only today ...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I rise to speak in the debate with a feeling of dismay about the bill that we are passing today. I say that as someone who was not initially a supporter of t...
Cameron Buchanan Con
The level of transparency in our Government and its openness to the public are both crucial aspects of a healthy democracy, which makes it so important that ...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour supports the principle of a lobbying bill and the need for the introduction of legislation in this area. Despite voting for it at decision ti...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I welcome the fact that members have subjected the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill to close scrutiny throughout its parliamentary passage, and today has been no dif...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
That concludes the debate on the Lobbying (Scotland) Bill.