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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 March 2016

08 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill
Pentland, John Lab Motherwell and Wishaw Watch on SPTV

As we have heard, the passage of the bill has not been a great advert for the Scottish Government’s competence and grasp of educational matters, but then again, what is? Matters that should have been thrashed out in co-operation with institutions’ staff and students have been pushed through, despite frequent opposition over reasonable concerns. In particular, there was significant apprehension about the impact of changes that could adversely affect institutions’ financial status. The institutions were not easily mollified by Scottish National Party reassurances, particularly given the Scottish Government’s track record of such reassurances turning into expensive mistakes. Doubts remain about some aspects of the bill, and dissatisfied parties abound, who will be looking for outcomes that give substance to such doubts.

Despite the messy management of its passage, at the heart of the bill lies a good intention, which is to create more democratic, diverse and accountable governing bodies that operate with greater openness and transparency. A primary objective in the process, which has been supported by Scottish Labour in amendments that it lodged, was to ensure that the operation of the governing bodies is opened up to staff and students and clearly works for their benefit. Where such representation existed, we wished to ensure that powers that were already in the hands of staff and students were not undermined.

The role of elected chairs should strengthen transparency and democracy in universities. The bill as it was initially drafted neglected the role of the rector and gave rise to strong criticism from the universities that have rectors elected to chair their university courts and to represent students or, in one case, staff and students.

Stage 2 amendments made provision for election of the senior lay member position and for retention of an elected rector in the four institutions where the rector has the right to chair the court. For many, that was second best to having a rector who is elected by all staff and students, who chairs the court and who has full leadership responsibilities. Although it was not the preferred option, it has been accepted as a compromise that will work. For the other institutions, the provisions are a major step forward in representation and have been welcomed even by those who have concerns about the final shape of that representation.

There is no doubt that there have been problems in our higher education institutions—what the University and College Union calls “a disconnect” between principals and senior management on the one hand, and staff and students on the other. The bill should go some way towards bridging that disconnect.

With some much-needed changes that took on board major concerns, the Scottish Government has somehow managed to muddle through and retain a bill that is worth supporting—or is, at the very least, passable. Of course, it was too much to hope that the Government would have improved it further by accepting all our amendments. Our amendments today included Mark Griffin’s amendment 43, which would have extended staff and student representation to relevant sub-committees of the governing body, and Cara Hilton’s amendment 48, which would have strengthened diversity and fair representation. The bill is weaker and poorer as a result of their rejection.

18:48  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item is a debate on motion S4M-15838, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill. I call the cabinet secr...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
For the purposes of rule 9.11 of the standing orders, I wish to advise the Parliament that Her Majesty, having been informed of the purport of the Higher Edu...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The cabinet secretary advocates a raison d’être for her bill, particularly in relation to what she considers to be the role of the chair. Is she aware of the...
Angela Constance SNP
Miss Goldie has raised that issue before at previous debates in Parliament, and that is a point on which I differ from her. I think that a higher education i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Iain Gray. We are quite tight for time, so Mr Gray has seven minutes. 18:29
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
In all the different stages of the bill, it is important that we recognise that, whatever our views on the merits or demerits of the bill, it is good that we...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
It will be no surprise that we do not support the bill. Not only do we continue to believe that there is absolutely no need for it, given the Scottish Govern...
Annabel Goldie Con
On the issue of the model of governance, as proposed by the bill, I have, in vain, asked the Scottish Government to give me an example of where that model ca...
Liz Smith Con
I am afraid that I cannot help Annabel Goldie, because we have not had an answer to that question. It remains in the mists of time. I really do not understan...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
For a relatively modest piece of proposed legislation, the Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill has generated considerable comment. Members of the Edu...
John Pentland (Motherwell and Wishaw) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, the passage of the bill has not been a great advert for the Scottish Government’s competence and grasp of educational matters, but then aga...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Our university sector is genuinely world class, but that does not mean that our universities cannot be improved. Adapting to changing needs, expectations and...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
I do not really have time, I am afraid. All the evidence shows that the best-performing universities worldwide are those that exercise the greatest level of...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
As I said in speaking to my amendments at stage 3, practically every single part of the bill has caused storm and fury. During stage 1, we discussed potentia...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member take an intervention?
George Adam SNP
Unfortunately, I have only about 10 seconds left. I believe in the bill; it is a way forward for our higher education institutions. I want to work with them...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in this evening’s stage 3 debate on the Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill. The bill is by no means perfect, and it would hav...
Liz Smith Con
Given what the member has just said, can she tell me why it took two hours and two minutes for Labour to make its first contribution this afternoon?
Cara Hilton Lab
I confess that I am a wee bit confused by that intervention so I will pass. The bill will give staff, students and trade unions a real voice and a real say ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the closing speeches. 19:00
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
It has been quite a long day. When the cabinet secretary mentioned Thomas Carlyle, I thought that I would look up one or two quotes on my iPad. He said: “th...
Angela Constance SNP
Will Mrs Scanlon give way?
Mary Scanlon Con
Of course.
Angela Constance SNP
I just wondered whether she had a quote about cheerful women.
Mary Scanlon Con
The cabinet secretary is very knowledgeable about the time that Thomas Carlyle was writing, so she will know that we can assume that what he said applied to ...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
Go on.
Mary Scanlon Con
I would like to, but I just cannot. As we normally do on these occasions, I thank the clerks of the Education and Culture Committee and, in particular, I th...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As Iain Gray set out at the beginning of the debate, Labour supports the general principles of the bill. The bill has the laudable aims of ensuring that the ...
Angela Constance SNP
I thank members for today’s stage 3 debate and record my thanks to the Education and Culture Committee. Unlike Mary Scanlon, I will not embarrass its convene...