Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,355,091
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,355,091 contributions in session S6, 17 Apr 2026 – 17 May 2026. Latest 30 days: 148. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 14 May 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 March 2016

08 Mar 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

No, we do not have a “considerable problem”. As I have said to Liz Smith and other colleagues, the difference between the role of the rector and that of the senior lay member is laid out clearly in the Scottish code of good higher education governance, which is reflected in the Government’s approach throughout the bill. The defining difference between Liz Smith’s position and that of the Government on the co-chair is as set out by Mr Brodie. He believes that the co-chair should be one of the governing body’s members; I do not accept that approach. The senior lay member should be elected by staff and students, as well as the governing body.

To return to Mr Brodie’s amendments, the senior lay member’s responsibility for the leadership and effectiveness of the governing body, and for ensuring an appropriate balance of authority between the governing body and the principal of the institution, would become a joint responsibility, shared with the co-chair.

The combination of the amendments would enable governing bodies in many respects to retain the status quo, whereby the balance of power in the governing body of the institution would sit with a member appointed by the governing body. The senior lay member, where such a role existed, would have limited powers and responsibilities. That would fundamentally go against the bill’s core aims. It would diminish the impact of the bill, undermine our ambition to achieve consistency and create a two-tier system.

I urge members to reject amendments 28 to 30 and 40.

Moving on to amendment 1 from Ms Smith, having considered it carefully, I cannot support the amendment. Section A1(2)(c) of the bill as amended sets out the senior lay member’s functions, which are intended to reflect existing practice. Responsibility for the appropriate balance of authority between the governing body and the principal of the institution is a widely recognised key function of a chairing member of a governing body; indeed, that is recognised in the Scottish code of good higher education governance.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 1 is on the role of the rector. Amendment 27, in the name of Chic Brodie, is grouped with amendment 31.
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The bill, which I hope will receive full scrutiny after some years of enactment, has as its base democratic accountability. The purpose of amendments 27 and ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Mr Brodie has outlined today and at stage 2 that there are, at present, clear divisions and clear lines of responsibility between the senior lay governor and...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
During stage 1 evidence, the cabinet secretary made it clear to the Education and Culture Committee that it was not the Government’s intention, through the b...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP
I thank Mr Brodie for his explanation of amendments 27 and 31. As he set out, amendment 27 would remove the requirement for the universities of Glasgow, Edin...
Liz Smith Con
The cabinet secretary has said many times that the diversity of the higher education sector is crucial. That is one of the reasons why we have different posi...
Angela Constance SNP
I am concerned that Mr Brodie’s amendments would confuse the role of rector and that of co-chair and would confuse the role of co-chair and that of senior la...
Chic Brodie SNP
We have not reached the detailed discussion of the further proposals that are attached to my amendments. If the Government proceeds with its proposal, it wil...
Angela Constance SNP
With respect, I do not believe that what Mr Brodie proposes would lead to any consistency. What the Government seeks to do in the bill is to reflect the Scot...
Liz Smith Con
The code of good governance is being reviewed. Would it have been sensible to await the results of that review before proposing the changes in the bill?
Angela Constance SNP
No. It is important that the code of governance is reviewed as appropriate, but the bill is high level and discrete in its proposition, and I refute the sugg...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Angela Constance SNP
Not just now. A key principle of the bill is to enable an approach to governance that is based on greater transparency, accountability and inclusivity to su...
Annabel Goldie Con
I seem to be one of the few members of this Parliament who have served on a university court. I am listening with care to what the cabinet secretary is sayin...
Angela Constance SNP
I say with the greatest respect to Ms Goldie that the questions are not unanswered. No one needs to be a member of a university governing body to understand ...
Chic Brodie SNP
I am even more confused now about what the senior lay member will do vis-à-vis what the rector will do in the ancient universities. Who will speak for the st...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The question is, that amendment 27 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
There will be a division. As this is the first division, I suspend the meeting for five minutes. 15:33 Meeting suspended. 15:38 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We will now proceed with the division on amendment 27. For Brodie, Chic (South Scotland) (SNP) Brown, Gavin (Lothian) (Con) Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian)...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The result of the division is: For 20, Against 91, Abstentions 0. Amendment 27 disagreed to.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Group 2 is on the role of the chairing member and the co-chair. Amendment 28, in the name of Chic Brodie, is grouped with amendments 29, 1, 30 and 40.
Chic Brodie SNP
All my amendments in the group reflect the proposed roles of the chairing members, which I referred to earlier, and of the co-chairs, and embrace the changes...
Liz Smith Con
My amendment 1 is a very simple amendment that is intended to make it clear that the list of duties that is set out in section A1(2) is not in any way an exh...
Liam McArthur LD
My comments on Chic Brodie’s previous amendments apply equally in this instance. I will not repeat myself; we will support the amendments in this group as we...
Angela Constance SNP
I will deal with amendments 28 to 30 and 40 from Chic Brodie and amendment 1 from Liz Smith. The role of senior lay member of the governing body is central...
Liz Smith Con
Is it not the case that there is considerable confusion in the bill over the roles of the rector and the chair? That is the reason why we have a considerable...
Angela Constance SNP
No, we do not have a “considerable problem”. As I have said to Liz Smith and other colleagues, the difference between the role of the rector and that of the ...
Liz Smith Con
Is it not the case that the 18 higher education institutions have very different structures? The whole point of the bill is to allow them to have that divers...
Angela Constance SNP
As has been said a few times, the bill acknowledges the diversity of our institutions, which should be valued. However, we want a high level of consistency a...