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Justice Committee 26 January 2016

26 Jan 2016 · S4 · Justice Committee
Item of business
Community Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 31A seeks to amend amendment 31 by adding a reference to “victims of offences and their families” to ensure that victims and their families are given a higher profile in the bill by explicitly recognising them. As it stands, amendment 31’s proposed new paragraph (1)(b)(ii) is too vague. It refers to “other persons who are or may be affected by community justice”. That is not an overly clear statement. My small amendment would ensure that there is no doubt about the importance of victims and their families being involved and represented in the engagement and consultation process. In effect, it would ensure that victims are taken into consideration in the bill—something that was promised by the Scottish Government but has not, in my view, been delivered. With the expansion of the definition of community justice to include those who are suspected of a crime and given bail, as well as others who were not previously included, it is particularly important that confusion about victims’ rights in engagement and consultation be kept to a minimum. To make sure that the process is as simple as possible for victims, I suggest that victims should have the same rights and be treated in a consistent manner, regardless of how the offender is treated. Therefore, I suggest that the main principles of the Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2014 be set as standard principles throughout both criminal and community justice. Although there are differences between that piece of legislation and the current bill, they are not easily identifiable by victims. Amendment 31A is supported by Scottish Women’s Aid and Victim Support Scotland, which specifically requested this inclusion. It is very similar to my amendment 95, which was supported by the committee last week. However, I welcome the minister’s comments this morning and his offer to work with me to come to a compromise on the wording, so I will not move amendment 31A today, although I might move such an amendment at stage 3. Amendment 98 is designed to ensure that community justice partners report to community justice Scotland on how they have engaged with and consulted third sector bodies in the preparation and development of the community justice outcomes improvement plan. The bill states that statutory partners must consider which third sector bodies that are involved in community justice “are likely to be able to contribute to the preparation of the plan” for their area, and that they must “make all reasonable efforts to secure the participation of such bodies in the preparation of the plan”. Where a third sector body that is involved in community justice “wishes to participate in the preparation of the plan to any extent,” the statutory partners will be required to “take such steps as are reasonable to enable the third sector body to participate to that extent.” All that is to be welcomed. However, my amendment 98 would go further by putting in place a reporting mechanism to ensure that community justice partners can be held to account by the national body on how they have carried out those duties. Experience shows that it can be difficult for statutory partners to engage with third sector bodies at local level due to the nature and diversity of the sector. Similarly, many current planning processes are often out of reach for some third sector organisations—particularly the smaller ones. My amendment 98 would make sure that if there were to be problems or issues with statutory partners engaging with and consulting third sector bodies, the problems would be reported on and addressed through appropriate means. Amendment 98 complements the Scottish Government’s amendment 53 on local improvement recommendations, which states that “Community justice partners to whom a local improvement recommendation has been made must comply with any direction issued by Community Justice Scotland”. My amendment specifies that community justice partners must report to community justice Scotland on how they have engaged with third sector bodies in preparation of the plan. If partners have not complied with the consulting and engagement duties in the bill, or have found difficulties in doing so, community justice Scotland would make an improvement recommendation with which partners must comply. Amendment 98 is supported by the criminal justice voluntary sector forum, which includes Apex Scotland, Barnardo’s Scotland, Circle Scotland, Cornerstone, Cyrenians, Families Outside, Sacro, Positive Prison? Positive Futures, Women’s Aid and Victim Support Scotland. However, as with my earlier amendment 31A, I welcome the minister’s willingness to discuss how we can come to an arrangement and agreement on the wording of an amendment, so I will not push my moment—my motion, rather—at this time.

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The Convener SNP
We move on to stage 2 of the Community Justice (Scotland) Bill. We will start where we left off last week, at section 9. Our intention is to conclude stage 2...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
Good morning.
The Convener SNP
That was lovely of you to wish a good morning to everybody. I was not ready for that. Are you all ready to begin? Do you all have your papers out? Section 9...
The Convener SNP
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Paul Wheelhouse SNP
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The Convener SNP
Thank you very much, minister.
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Amendment 31A seeks to amend amendment 31 by adding a reference to “victims of offences and their families” to ensure that victims and their families are g...
The Convener SNP
I am waiting for you to push your moment.
Margaret McDougall Lab
I will not push my motion at this time.
The Convener SNP
Does any other member wish to come in?
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I warmly welcome the amendments from the minister in this group. They go a long way towards meeting some of the concerns that we heard during evidence taking...
The Convener SNP
I think that we all need to take deep breaths this morning.
Alison McInnes LD
I support that intention and think that the issue can be resolved.
The Convener SNP
I, too, welcome the inclusion of the third sector on the face of the bill. Everybody here, including the minister, knows that the third sector is at the core...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I concur with all that has been said. I hope that the minister can work with Margaret McDougall because I think that it is important that victims and their f...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I, too, welcome the continued dialogue between Margaret McDougall and the minister on the issues with—I hope—a view to resolving them at stage 3.
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I was not very keen to have the matter on the face of the bill. The only thing that I ask is for the minister to consider what I said previously about privat...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I thank members for their considered points—especially Margaret McDougall for showing such willingness to work with me. I am keen to deliver on the clear sen...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 70, in the name of Elaine Murray, is grouped with amendments 71, 87 and 92.
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
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Paul Wheelhouse SNP
This group of amendments lodged by Dr Murray relates to the arrangements for community justice Scotland when reporting on the exercise of its functions or wh...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 72, in the name of Elaine Murray, is grouped with amendments 93 and 99.
Elaine Murray Lab
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Alison McInnes LD
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I understand that people are reticent about change, but I wonder whether, behind this group of amendments and indeed the previous group, there is a sense of ...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Amendment 72, in the name of Elaine Murray, relates to the creation and operation of an alternative construct to the one that is set out in the bill—that is,...
Elaine Murray Lab
I will simply wind up the debate formally. I will not press amendment 72—I seek leave to withdraw it. Amendment 72, by agreement, withdrawn.
The Convener SNP
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The Convener SNP
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Alison McInnes LD
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