Committee
Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee 27 January 2016
27 Jan 2016 · S4 · Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am grateful to Claudia Beamish for lodging this group of amendments, which has provided me with a further opportunity to reflect on the purpose of part 5 of the bill and the definition of communities within it. How land is used in a local area can have a significant and direct impact on people in local communities. Local communities often have little opportunity to influence landowners’ decisions. The bill proposes a right to buy land “to further sustainable development” specifically to support local communities. The amendments in the group seek to make provision to allow communities of interest to exercise the part 5 right to buy. The aim of part 5 of the bill is to support sustainable development of land to develop local communities and to avoid harm to such communities, giving them more of a say over what happens in their area. The Scottish Government therefore does not support the widening of the definition to include communities of interest, because that could potentially create further problems for local communities by allowing particular interest groups to compete for ownership of land in the locality. It would be difficult to see how a community of interest could demonstrate that it met both the significant harm and significant benefit tests in the sustainable conditions in section 47. It may also be difficult for communities of interest to show how the transfer of land to them has led to further sustainable development of the land, when the community of interest may be geographically dispersed. Although I cannot support the amendments, I hope that the committee will recognise that there is nothing to prevent a local community from going into partnership with a community of interest as a third-party purchaser, provided of course that it is satisfied that the community of interest could deliver the desired benefits to the local community and that all the sustainable development conditions have been met. That said, the issues that the amendments raise are serious and they demand further consideration. I do not think that they fall within the focus of part 5, which is on local communities. However, I will give these issues further consideration outwith the bill process, because we will want to have a proper look at them to find a way forward. A lot of issues were raised to do with different types of group, such as the Mountain Bothies Association, Travellers and hutters. We are happy to return to the issue to give it the proper, serious consideration that it deserves.
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Graeme Dey
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The Convener
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Sarah Boyack
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The Convener
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Pardon me—
Sarah Boyack
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Sorry, have I got that wrong? It is amendment 108. I am speaking about the guidance on engaging communities in decisions, as set out in the briefing paper th...
The Convener
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That is okay, but you said amendment 102.
Sarah Boyack
Lab
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Aileen McLeod
SNP
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Michael Russell
SNP
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Graeme Dey
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Alex Fergusson
Con
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The Convener
SNP
I ask the minister to respond to that point before Sarah Boyack winds up.
Aileen McLeod
SNP
Do you want me to comment on some of the other points that have been raised or just specifically Mr Fergusson’s point?
The Convener
SNP
Will you comment on Alex Fergusson’s point?
Aileen McLeod
SNP
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The Convener
SNP
Thank you for that, minister. I ask Sarah Boyack to wind up and say whether she wishes to press or withdraw amendment 13.
Sarah Boyack
Lab
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The Convener
SNP
The question is, that amendment 13 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
SNP
There will be a division. For Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab) Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab) Against Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP) Fergusson, ...
The Convener
SNP
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 13 disagreed to. Amendment 37 moved—Aileen McLeod.
The Convener
SNP
The question is, that amendment 37 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
SNP
There will be a division. For Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab) Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab) Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP) Gibson, Rob (Caithn...
The Convener
SNP
The result of the division is: For 8, Against 1, Abstentions 0. Amendment 37 agreed to. Amendment 81 not moved. Amendment 38 moved—Aileen McLeod.
The Convener
SNP
The question is, that amendment 38 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
SNP
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The Convener
SNP
The result of the division is: For 8, Against 1, Abstentions 0. Amendment 38 agreed to. Amendment 108 not moved. Amendment 39 moved—Aileen McLeod—and agre...