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Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee 27 January 2016

27 Jan 2016 · S4 · Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Section 36 inserts into the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Act 2012 new section 48A, which enables regulations to be made enabling the keeper of the Registers of Scotland to request information relating to proprietors of land. That may include information about the category of a proprietor and information about individuals with a controlling interest in a proprietor. As I outlined at the committee last week, in setting out our proposals to amend part 3 of the bill, the Government intends to lodge amendments at stage 3 to amend section 36 to remove reference to requesting information about individuals with a controlling interest. That part of section 36 will not be needed because of the new regulation-making power that is to be brought forward at stage 3 for a public register of controlling interests in landowners. It is the Government’s intention to retain section 36 so that regulations can be made enabling the keeper to request information about the categories of proprietors. That information will be useful in establishing further information on patterns of land ownership, which will help in developing policies in relation to land use and management. The Government is still considering the committee’s suggestion that section 36 be amended to enable the keeper to require information about categories of proprietors and we will certainly keep the committee updated on our position in relation to that ahead of stage 3. Although the Government’s view is that, other than its first use, the power in new section 48A would be used to make regulations that were mainly minor and technical in nature, in its report on the bill at stage 1, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee expressed the view that the power is not limited to that. That committee heard in oral evidence that the scheme for requesting information could change over time, with additional categories of information about proprietors being requested. In addition, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee said that there was potential for changes to be made to the regulations on matters such as the consent of individuals, the disclosure of information and the corresponding potential for interference with article 8 rights. In light of those concerns, that committee recommended that the affirmative procedure should apply to all regulations that are made under new section 48A. The Government recognises the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s concerns, and amendments 31 to 35 provide that the affirmative procedure will apply to all regulations that are made under new section 48A of the 2012 act. I move amendment 31. Amendment 31 agreed to. Amendments 32 to 35 moved—Aileen McLeod—and agreed to.

In the same item of business

The Convener SNP
Agenda item 7 is the second day of consideration of amendments to the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. We will pick up where we left off last week with part 3 of...
The Convener SNP
We come to the group on the power of the keeper of the Registers of Scotland to request information and the procedure for regulation. Amendment 31, in the na...
The Minister for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Aileen McLeod) SNP
Section 36 inserts into the Land Registration etc (Scotland) Act 2012 new section 48A, which enables regulations to be made enabling the keeper of the Regist...
The Convener SNP
Amendment 36, in the name of Graeme Dey, has already been debated with amendment 103. I ask Graeme Dey whether he wishes to move his amendment.
Graeme Dey SNP
My amendment would have deleted section 36, but given that we have just approved a series of amendments to section 36 and that the Scottish Government intend...
The Convener SNP
We move to group 2, on guidance on engaging communities in decisions relating to land: purpose of engagement, content of guidance etc. Amendment 13, in the n...
Sarah Boyack Lab
It is clear that new opportunities will flow from the guidance that is envisaged for this part of the bill, and it is to be hoped that owners and communities...
The Convener SNP
Pardon me—
Sarah Boyack Lab
Sorry, have I got that wrong? It is amendment 108. I am speaking about the guidance on engaging communities in decisions, as set out in the briefing paper th...
The Convener SNP
That is okay, but you said amendment 102.
Sarah Boyack Lab
Sorry—I meant amendment 108. From the earlier discussion members will have been able to tell that my voice is going, but clearly it must be more than that. T...
Aileen McLeod SNP
In drawing up the guidance, ministers will consult a wide range of stakeholders, and the guidance will define the different sorts of engagement that will be ...
Michael Russell SNP
I heard what the minister said and I am broadly content with amendment 37—with a caveat, as she will expect, about the term “relevant human rights” in propos...
Graeme Dey SNP
I welcome the clarity that the minister provided on amendment 108 because at first glance it seemed to have merit, but I am content with what I have heard.
Alex Fergusson Con
I am sorry to take away from the air of consensus that there seems to be here, but I have concerns about this group of amendments. I share the minister’s res...
The Convener SNP
I ask the minister to respond to that point before Sarah Boyack winds up.
Aileen McLeod SNP
Do you want me to comment on some of the other points that have been raised or just specifically Mr Fergusson’s point?
The Convener SNP
Will you comment on Alex Fergusson’s point?
Aileen McLeod SNP
I say to Mr Fergusson that the things that we are adding do not move away from the intention of what we are trying to do in part 5 of the bill to further sus...
The Convener SNP
Thank you for that, minister. I ask Sarah Boyack to wind up and say whether she wishes to press or withdraw amendment 13.
Sarah Boyack Lab
We have had a useful debate. To be clear, amendment 13 seeks the community’s agreement; it does not say that that must be secured—that would be a higher bar ...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 13 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab) Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab) Against Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP) Fergusson, ...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 13 disagreed to. Amendment 37 moved—Aileen McLeod.
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 37 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab) Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab) Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP) Gibson, Rob (Caithn...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 8, Against 1, Abstentions 0. Amendment 37 agreed to. Amendment 81 not moved. Amendment 38 moved—Aileen McLeod.
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 38 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab) Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab) Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP) Gibson, Rob (Caithn...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 8, Against 1, Abstentions 0. Amendment 38 agreed to. Amendment 108 not moved. Amendment 39 moved—Aileen McLeod—and agre...