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Health and Sport Committee 09 February 2016

09 Feb 2016 · S4 · Health and Sport Committee
Item of business
Penrose Inquiry
Philip Dolan (Scottish Infected Blood Forum) Watch on SPTV
I agree with many of the things that Bill Wright has said. I have written a history of the subject, and I feel like I have been haunting this place and the corridors with the black and white tiles since 1999. What troubles and concerns me and members of the Scottish Infected Blood Forum, which—as I said in my submission—represents people who have been infected with hepatitis C, is that many people who wanted to be witnesses and to tell their stories were not heard. I have this morning distributed, for members to read later, the stories that some of the people who have been affected would have liked to have given to the inquiry. I am concerned about the way in which the Penrose inquiry treated that aspect. The inquiry made no mention of missing medical records and people’s batch numbers. There is nothing in the report about the fact that David Owen—Lord Owen—and Patrick Jenkin, both former health ministers at Westminster, found suddenly that documents that they had were, unfortunately, shredded by junior members of staff when they got to the Department of Health. As I said in my submission, we expressed concern that the Penrose inquiry called only six victims as witnesses. Plenty of doctors, scientists and people from the Department of Health were called as witnesses, but where were the victims? I put on the record the fact that many people wanted to be core participants but that, at the end of the day, Lord Penrose allowed only six of those people to give evidence. The appeal was heard by Lord Penrose himself. It goes against natural justice for a judge to hear an appeal against his own decision. Of even more concern was the fact that when the counsel who was talking about hepatitis C on my behalf said, “Mr Dolan has the sword of Damocles hanging over his head,” Lord Penrose’s response was, “You mean a feather duster.” That is how dismissive he was: my having contracted hepatitis C was seen as nothing. We could say nothing: along with many other people, I sat in the background and was not allowed to say anything. As I have said elsewhere, on the very first day Lord Penrose said in his initial statement that the inquiry was being funded by the national health service, and that therefore every pound spent on it was a pound that would be taken away from patient care, and that every time a doctor appeared at it, that was time away from the health service. He had nothing to say about the fact that, in the audience that day were a number of widows, widowers and families whose relatives had died. They did not seem to exist as far as the inquiry was concerned. Two of the victims who were heard at the inquiry were heard because the legal people had taken a case under the Human Rights Act 1998, which meant that the Court of Session insisted that both were heard. Only four other victims were heard as witnesses. On the first day I said that the inquiry was a whitewash, and on the last day I said that it was a whitewash. I have spent years and years, going back to the 1980s, campaigning to get justice. I do not mean just financial justice; justice is about getting an answer to why this happened, but the Penrose report does not provide that answer.

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
We move to our second agenda item, on the final report of the Penrose inquiry. We will hear oral evidence on the report from Petra Wright. Should that be Bil...
Petra Wright (Hepatitis C Trust)
We are not related.
Bill Wright (Haemophilia Scotland)
Fond of her as I am, convener, we are not brother and sister, or whatever.
The Convener Lab
Petra Wright is Scottish officer for the Hepatitis C Trust, Philip Dolan is the convener of the Scottish Infected Blood Forum, and Bill Wright is chair of Ha...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I thank you, convener, and the committee for holding this evidence session. I am sure that many people who have been affected by the issues that are b...
Bill Wright
The committee will be well aware that, among those of us who endured the six-year-long inquiry, the common phrase that was used was that it was a “whitewash”...
Philip Dolan (Scottish Infected Blood Forum)
I agree with many of the things that Bill Wright has said. I have written a history of the subject, and I feel like I have been haunting this place and the c...
The Convener Lab
I will let Petra Wright respond to the first question, and then I will take some supplementaries on the inquiry process. After that, I will allow the witness...
Petra Wright
I was not personally involved in the Penrose inquiry, but I would like to comment on it. Richard Lyle mentioned the length of time that the process has take...
The Convener Lab
Do other members have questions on the process of the inquiry?
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I also want to ask about something else, but I will stick to that issue for the moment. I totally take on board what the witnesses have said and I understan...
Bill Wright
No—
The Convener Lab
Just a minute, Mr Wright. Do members have any other questions on the theme of the inquiry and its outcomes? No? Okay—go ahead, Mr Wright.
Bill Wright
In the time that was taken a substantial body of evidence was collected. Much of it was new evidence of which we had not previously been aware. The inquiry t...
Philip Dolan
I feel most strongly about the fact that during the six years—or whatever length of time it was—the victims were not listened to, and that during the year or...
The Convener Lab
Richard Lyle will take us on to the next topic.
Richard Lyle SNP
Thank you for sharing your experience with us, Mr Dolan. Sadly, I have heard the same from other sufferers all too often. Was it a weakness that the Penrose ...
Philip Dolan
Many years ago, there was an inquiry about BSE in England, which was chaired by a Scottish judge. At the end, the inquiry came out and said that it blamed th...
Bill Wright
The question illustrates the shortcomings in the inquiry system that I alluded to. We can look at a number of inquiries. I understand that a former First Min...
The Convener Lab
Richard Lyle has a third and final question to move us on in this theme.
Richard Lyle SNP
Dennis Robertson has a question, so I will let him in first.
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
It is just a quick supplementary question on death certificates. You are saying that the cause of death could have been hepatitis C or whatever but, because ...
Bill Wright
Some improvements have been made. Previously, anybody who was medically qualified could write a death certificate. However, the legacy for us has been consid...
Petra Wright
Many deaths that were attributable to hepatitis C have been attributed to other things. Since hepatitis C became known about, evidence has emerged about area...
Bill Wright
Could I follow up on that, please?
The Convener Lab
Yes, but you are taking time from some of the other questions.
Bill Wright
It brings us to the next issue, convener, which is financial recognition. There is a surprising frequency of death from cerebral brain haemorrhage being rec...
The Convener Lab
Some of that is reflected in the written evidence, of course, but it is good to get it on the record.
Philip Dolan
I want to pick up on one specific point. During the inquiry, when expert witnesses came in, there were three or four doctors who all sat close together givin...
Richard Lyle SNP
I have been involved with the issue for the past few years. Last year, I had the opportunity to go and see the emotional and hard-hitting play “Factor 9”, wh...