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Meeting of the Parliament 25 February 2016

25 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I thank members for the constructive debate this afternoon. It has been a pleasure to take part in it.

Like others, I begin by paying tribute to Michael McMahon for bringing this issue and the connected issue of jury majorities to the fore. A member’s bill requires unrelenting commitment and dedication, and the member has certainly demonstrated both over a number of years in his continued efforts to reform this area of Scots law.

I start by observing that although, in my limited experience in this Parliament, it is not often that the Scottish Conservatives agree with the Scottish Government’s approach to reforming the criminal justice system, my party recognises the need for jury research and welcomes the cabinet secretary's assurances that it is commencing.

However, I also share the concerns that my colleague Margaret Mitchell expressed. I appreciate that such research will take some time to complete and, therefore, am concerned that jury directions in some sexual offence cases are being pre-emptively put on a statutory footing through the Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill, without waiting for the research findings to support what the Law Society has called a

“major departure from existing practice.”

It seems to me that the Scottish Government has taken a pick-and-mix approach to policy implementation in the past, particularly in relation to the general requirement for corroboration, whereas what we need is a consistent, holistic approach that looks at Scotland’s criminal justice system in the round.

I note with interest that Christine Grahame, the SNP convener of the Justice Committee, made a similar point in relation to juries to the cabinet secretary during his stage 1 evidence on the bill. She said:

“You rightly said that we need to consider how juries think about things, how they come to decisions and why they arrive at a not proven verdict in certain cases rather than a guilty or not guilty verdict. Juries’ thinking is complex, and I am glad that we are doing the research. Nevertheless, it seems to me that jury directions are something else that could be encompassed in that research.”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 19 January 2016; c 6.]

Michael McMahon has argued that not proven should be removed as a verdict in criminal trials for a number of reasons, one in particular being that the judiciary cannot give directions or guidance to juries about the difference between not guilty and not proven. Here, SPICe was very helpful. According to figures provided by the Scottish Government, of the 970 people who were acquitted on the basis of a not proven verdict in 2012-13, 694 were prosecuted under summary procedure, meaning that the verdict was delivered by a sheriff, not a jury. For that reason, Sheriff McFadyen suggested:

“While the not proven verdict is often criticised and is somewhat anachronistic, the fact that it is used, albeit sparingly, in summary trials perhaps indicates that it is not wholly pointless.”

Although there is some divergence in opinion about whether the not proven verdict should be abolished, the consensus view is that now is not the time to make such a radical change to the current system of having three verdicts in criminal trials. The Scottish Conservatives believe that there should be a compelling case for change, with a strong evidential basis, which has not yet been made. For that reason, as Margaret Mitchell said, we will not be able to support the bill at decision time.

16:41  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15429, in the name of Michael McMahon, on the Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill. 15:59
Michael McMahon (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open today’s debate on the Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill. Today we debate and vote on whether the Parliament agrees to the general princi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. 16:09
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, as you say, I am speaking on behalf of the Justice Committee and not in a personal capacity, but first I personally want to commend Michae...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
First, I would like to thank Michael McMahon and the non-Government bills unit for their work on this legislation. Like other members, I commend Michael McMa...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As Michael McMahon said, I lodged an amendment to his motion, and I am disappointed that the Presiding Officer did not select it for debate. I will neverthel...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to participate in this stage 1 debate on the Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill. Michael McMahon has waited some considerable time for the bill t...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
It has been a rollercoaster ride since I joined the Justice Committee in 2013. We have scrutinised many pieces of legislation, some of which we stopped, some...
Michael McMahon Lab
Will the member give way?
Christian Allard SNP
I am sorry, but I have only a few minutes. Perhaps the member can address the issue later. I would have been happy to consider abolishing the not proven ver...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to closing speeches. 16:38
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank members for the constructive debate this afternoon. It has been a pleasure to take part in it. Like others, I begin by paying tribute to Michael McM...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As is evident from this afternoon’s debate, changes to elements of criminal justice procedure are famously difficult to achieve and sometimes take decades—an...
Michael Matheson SNP
The debate has provided Parliament with a useful opportunity to look at the merits and shortcomings of having a three-verdict system in which two of the verd...
Christine Grahame SNP
This follows on from what Cameron Buchanan said. If the not proven verdict were to disappear, the abolition would also pertain when it is not a jury making t...
Michael Matheson SNP
Of course, and that is one of the issues that we can consider when we frame the research. Using real jurors also carries a risk of exposing the system or in...
Michael McMahon Lab
I thank the staff of the non-Government bills unit, whose assistance has been invaluable to me over the past number of years. I am also grateful to the peop...
Christian Allard SNP
I thank the member for taking my intervention. He is not the first person to have quoted Victim Support Scotland. I agree with him about the not proven verdi...
Michael McMahon Lab
That is one piece of evidence, but the majority of responses to the consultation suggested otherwise. That is all evidence that allows people to determine wh...
Michael McMahon Lab
I am sorry—I will not take an intervention. At present, a jury in Scotland can return a verdict of guilty when at least eight of its members are in favour o...