Committee
Health and Sport Committee 11 February 2016
11 Feb 2016 · S4 · Health and Sport Committee
Item of business
Subordinate Legislation
Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (Commencement No 7) Order 2016 (SSI 2016/22)
Brett Collins
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Ultimately, there is an anomaly in the proposed legislation, and it sits within the non-surgical cosmetic procedures. That anomaly exists because that is an industry sector that includes a wide spectrum of people who provide services in Scotland and the rest of the UK. In that landscape you will find everyone from doctors, nurses and surgeons to beauticians and completely untrained individuals providing treatments. Fundamentally, therefore, within the current proposed regulation and the method for regulation, there are some significant flaws and contradictions. Although I take on board what Robbie Pearson said about a learning process in 2016-17, you do not need a crystal ball to predict a lot of the challenges that we will face because of the manner in which the proposals are to be implemented. As well, we have a number of concerns in that, ultimately, as our submission says, the Department of Health says that “any regulated activity or treatment must meet the following criteria: there is fair playing ... the requirement to register must be based on risk to people who use services and the extent to which statutory system regulation of providers can mitigate that risk ... all types of provider must meet the same requirements.” Fundamentally, the suggestion that all providers “must meet the same requirements” must be one of the biggest flaws because, specifically for non-surgical cosmetic treatment, the proposals do not get anywhere near to holding all providers to meeting the same requirements, because they do not include all providers. For that to be achieved, all providers should be accountable to the same body and to the same standards of regulation. Ultimately, the proposals fail to achieve that. Surely, for any form of regulation to be successful, it must define who is suitable to provide the treatments. In its response to being asked whether regulation should be based on whether an independent clinic provides the service rather than on specific procedures or cosmetic treatments, HIS said that, because of the fact that treatments and methods of delivery change, the regulation could quickly go out of date if it were based on procedures and treatments. Ultimately, what causes risk to the public are the procedures and treatments; they are what cause damage to health and appearance. If you are not going to look specifically at the procedures and treatments—the cause of the risk—because you feel that, ultimately, you would not be able to safeguard the public’s safety, how on earth will regulation safeguard public safety? When I read the response from HIS, I thought that it was saying that regulation of the industry cannot be done. It can. Certain interpretations could be changed and what treatments broadly do in terms of injecting skin, skin healing and so on could be examined in a different way. To me, the catalyst has been non-surgical treatments. In the report that was published, non-surgical treatments are referenced consistently, but we are told that the proposals are not supposed to regulate non-surgical cosmetic treatments. That does not seem to make sense. Nurses, doctors and dental professionals are singled out and some medical professionals—for example, prescribing pharmacists—are excluded, as are non-healthcare professionals, including beauty therapists. I know that a phased approach is being taken, but the phased approach does not incorporate everyone in the same regulation. Eventually, there might be a licensing scheme run by several authorities: in London, where borough councils have licensing schemes, the situation is not consistent across the board. The idea is to enhance public safety and lower the risk. Therefore, decisions must be made about whether procedures are medical procedures that need to be provided by medically trained individuals, whether they need to be provided in an medical environment and whether they need to be regulated by a medically led regulator. If the answer to those questions is yes, the Government needs to state who can provide the treatments. If it is no, we do not need the presence of a state-run, medically led regulator to deal with non-surgical treatments. I would like to make one final point—
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The Convener
Lab
As we normally do when taking oral evidence at a round-table discussion, I will introduce myself then we will work round the table, introducing ourselves and...
Robbie Pearson (Healthcare Improvement Scotland)
I am the director of scrutiny and assurance and also the deputy chief executive at Healthcare Improvement Scotland.
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
I am the deputy convener of the Health and Sport Committee and MSP for Strathkelvin and Bearsden.
Kevin Freeman-Ferguson (Healthcare Improvement Scotland)
I am a senior inspector with Healthcare Improvement Scotland and I am currently responsible for leading the work that we do on regulating independent healthc...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP)
SNP
I am the MSP for Aberdeenshire West.
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
I am an MSP for the Highlands and Islands.
David Moulsdale (Optical Express)
I am the chairman and chief executive of Optical Express.
Pat Kilpatrick (British Dental Association Scotland)
I am national director of the British Dental Association Scotland.
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
I am an MSP for North East Scotland.
Brett Collins (Save Face)
I am a director of Save Face.
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
I am an MSP for Central Scotland.
Simon Withey (British Association of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons)
I am a consultant plastic surgeon and am representing the British Association of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons, and I sat on Bruce Keogh’s United Kingdom review.
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab)
Lab
I am the MSP for Edinburgh Northern and Leith.
The Convener
Lab
I put on the record that this is an opportunity for the committee to discuss with witnesses the four statutory instruments that are before us. I could read t...
David Moulsdale
Fundamentally, we broadly support further regulation—or new regulations—as set out. Further regulation is necessary for patient confidence and, like many of ...
Robbie Pearson
I echo that point about the position of Healthcare Improvement Scotland. We are obviously responding on this secondary legislation that has been introduced t...
Pat Kilpatrick
On behalf of the dental profession in Scotland, the BDA Scotland welcomes the legislation, which has been needed for a long time because purely private pract...
The Convener
Lab
I think that Brett Collins takes a slightly different view.
Brett Collins
Ultimately, there is an anomaly in the proposed legislation, and it sits within the non-surgical cosmetic procedures. That anomaly exists because that is an ...
The Convener
Lab
I will give you the opportunity to come back in, but you have raised a number of points, and I would not like them to be missed. I will ask for some response...
Simon Withey
I agree with some of the concerns, but I also agree with Robbie Pearson that the industry is opaque and no one really knows what is going on. There must be a...
Pat Kilpatrick
There is an issue in relation to beauty therapists and dentistry. The BDAS is very concerned—we raised the issue in the general consultation—about the number...
Malcolm Chisholm
Lab
I picked up that example in the BDA submission. I want to be clear about what you are saying. You say that such activity is already against the law, so are y...
Pat Kilpatrick
It is—but it is perfectly legitimate for people to do it at the moment. They might be doing a range of other things on which they are regulated. It goes back...
The Convener
Lab
How will the proposed legislation make a difference in that area? Will it make a difference?
Robbie Pearson
We need to be clear about the statutory instruments. They relate to phase 1 in terms of non-surgical procedures that are set out in the regulations and the h...
Fiona McLeod
SNP
I want to ask about the phasing. I notice that phase 2 is for the likes of beauticians and that phase 3 is for other allied health professionals. Is there a ...
Pat Kilpatrick
Yes.
Fiona McLeod
SNP
Right. That is not about changing regulations, but about enforcing them.
Pat Kilpatrick
Yes.