Committee
Public Petitions Committee 09 February 2016
09 Feb 2016 · S4 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
Continued Petitions
Concessionary Travel (War Veterans) (PE1549)
There are wider issues around the concessionary travel scheme than just whether someone travels for free. For example, there are the cards and the administration behind them. There are a number of factors for the Scottish Government to consider, and there would be additional cost if it was a Scottish Government scheme. However, the Government has made it quite clear that, at the moment, it does not support adding veterans to the concessionary travel scheme. As I said, it is not just about asking bus operators whether they will allow veterans to travel for free. Some administration behind that would have to be carried out and verified by the Scottish Government, but it has said that it is not going to do that. Like Kenny MacAskill, I have dealt with some of the bus operators and I know that they are certainly not going to say, “Right, we’re going to let these individuals travel free of charge as long as they produce a card.” If they were that magnanimous, surely they would be saying that anybody over the age of 75 or anyone with certain conditions could travel for free as well. Every bus operator that operates the transport concessionary scheme gets a contribution towards every passenger who travels, and I doubt very much that they would allow one group of individuals to travel free of charge while the Scottish Government has to pay for everybody else to travel.
In the same item of business
The Convener
Lab
The next petition is PE1549, by Alan Clark Young, on concessionary travel passes for war veterans.
Kenny MacAskill (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
SNP
I think that we have reached the end of the road on this one.
The Convener
Lab
Yes, I think that we have tested this one to destruction.
David Torrance
SNP
I am quite happy to close this one, because the Government is not going to change its mind.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
I wish to support the petition on the ground that it is an important one. We recognise the physical and mental contribution that armed forces personnel make ...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
I think that, if the Government were going to do that, it would have suggested it. The negotiations that Hanzala Malik is referring to concern financial tran...
Hanzala Malik
Lab
We do not know what it has considered.
The Convener
Lab
I take your point, Hanzala. I support the premise of the petition and I think that there is merit in the suggestion. However, to be honest, the reality is th...
Hanzala Malik
Lab
With all due respect, I do not think that we have specifically asked the Government to consider the angle that I have raised. I think that it is worth giving...
Kenny MacAskill
SNP
We might not have specifically asked about that issue, but I am with you, convener. Throughout my tenure as a regional MSP and as a constituency MSP, my expe...
The Convener
Lab
It is the purpose of the Public Petitions Committee to try to change Government policy. However, we are not going to change Government policy on this. We hav...
Hanzala Malik
Lab
I am not asking for that at all. I am asking the Government to ask the transport providers to consider it. I do not think that that option has been considere...
The Convener
Lab
Okay. Do other members have a view on that? I think that you are in a minority of one, Hanzala.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
I am quite happy to die in a ditch.
The Convener
Lab
As I have said, I do not want to take this to a vote—I always try to get a consensus.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
Convener, we tend to underestimate the sacrifices that our armed forces make around the world, and we are demanding more and more.
The Convener
Lab
I do not think that anyone is underestimating that. We have had that discussion. I think that everyone accepts the premise of the petition; our problem is th...
Hanzala Malik
Lab
No, convener. I am asking for something totally different. I want the Government to ask the transport providers to provide a service free of charge. I am not...
The Convener
Lab
But that is how the concessionary travel scheme works.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
At the moment, yes.
The Convener
Lab
Okay.
John Wilson
Ind
There are wider issues around the concessionary travel scheme than just whether someone travels for free. For example, there are the cards and the administra...
Jackson Carlaw
Con
I am in agreement with your position on this, convener: we have asked the Government and it has said no. It is clearly open to individual members of the comm...
The Convener
Lab
That is the point, Hanzala. I do not know whether you want to take the issue to a vote. David Torrance wants to make a contribution to the discussion; then I...
David Torrance
SNP
I am fully supportive of your stance, convener. I support the petition but, as Jackson Carlaw said, the Government said no and the petition is not going anyw...
Hanzala Malik
Lab
I take on board what very experienced members are saying, but I feel quite strongly about the issue. I suggest that the Government might want to speak to the...
The Convener
Lab
No. Our final meeting is on 8 March.
Hanzala Malik
Lab
I do not see what damage it would do if we took one final opportunity to write to the Government to find out whether it would be prepared to speak to the arm...
The Convener
Lab
I have to say that I think that that would just be a futile gesture, and I do not think that the committee is into doing that kind of thing. Sometimes we lea...
Hanzala Malik
Lab
As a compromise, could I suggest that we write to the petitioner to say that he might want to engage with the armed forces to see whether—