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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 11 February 2016

11 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Brennan, Lesley Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Very few of us plan and discuss our intentions for when we pass on or, importantly, how we will pay for the arrangements. My own parents are an exception—they have even picked their hymns. They were concerned about the cost of their funerals, and they bought funeral plans in 2010. I realise, however, that many people who do not have savings simply cannot afford to put money aside for a funeral. There is strong evidence regarding funeral poverty. I am in contact with the Dundee pensioners forum, and I am learning from its members’ experiences.

I welcome the Scottish Government’s announcement that it is to host the first national conference to tackle funeral poverty, but I feel that the minister has missed an opportunity to address the issue of funeral poverty in the bill. Even the Government consultation document failed to grasp the issue, by just focusing on local authorities publishing fees online and cost recovery, rather than the full cost of funerals.

The bill also ought to address the national assistance duty. A good friend of mine works full time but in a low-paid job and, about a year ago, he was consequently not eligible for a social fund funeral payment and could not afford to bury his mother. Due to the shame that he felt, he did not disclose that until a few months afterwards. He felt a huge amount of guilt and shame at not being able to mark his mother’s life in the way that he wanted. He realised that he could not afford the cheapest funeral at the local funeral directors, and he did not know what to do.

My friend spoke to a bereavement counsellor, and it was only during his fourth visit that the counsellor mentioned the national assistance funeral scheme. He was not aware that local authorities had a duty, but would perform it only if nobody would claim—so he did not claim his mother’s body. Although he was grateful for the scheme, he felt the stigma of his mother being buried in what is colloquially known as a pauper’s grave. He did not know that he could have attended the burial.

In its consultation response, the Scottish working group on funeral poverty stated:

“the National Assistance funeral system is fundamentally not working and needs serious reform.”

A number of local authorities noted in their consultation responses their difficulties with the national assistance scheme and stated that people are getting in contact with them because of their families’ financial difficulties. I strongly urge the minister to consider the issue and perhaps lodge an amendment at stage 2 to ensure that the bill goes further than the current commitments and fully addresses funeral poverty.

I turn to the proposal to reuse graves. I understand the pressure on burial grounds, I appreciate that land is a finite resource and I note that Angus Council’s submission says that 25 to 30 per cent of lairs that it has sold have not been used. However, an analysis of the consultation responses shows that only 37 per cent of respondents were in favour of the proposal. I think that the convener of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee noted the low level of engagement on the topic; in total, there were only 180 consultation responses.

The financial memorandum is disappointing, particularly in the context of local government cuts, because it overlooks the impact on local government.

I fully support Nigel Don’s recommendations, which were discussed at the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee.

16:46  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15608, in the name of Maureen Watt, on the Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Bill. 15:57
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I thank the Health and Sport Committee, the Local Government and Regeneration Committee and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee for their detailed ...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
I begin by thanking the many stakeholders who submitted evidence on the bill, particularly the parents who generously shared with the committee their difficu...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
It has occurred to me that there is in a tiny proportion of cases the perinatal death of the mother. Has the point been made that such rights might also be e...
Duncan McNeil Lab
That is not something that we looked at particularly, but the member has made a good point. The minister is here and she might wish to consider that further....
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
As convener of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee, it is my job to share with members the main points that arose during my committee’s scrutiny ...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I rise to open for Scottish Labour, which will support the general principles of the bill at decision time. The legislation that has been in place for buria...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can allow you a few more seconds.
Jenny Marra Lab
I will continue with my remarks in my closing speech. Thank you. 16:27
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
There has been a general welcome for the Scottish Government’s intention in the bill to “create legislation which is fit for twenty-first century Scotland”,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
We now move to the open debate. Mr Don will speak on behalf of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. 16:32
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
As you say, Presiding Officer, I speak in my capacity as convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. The committee has continuing concerns abo...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I found the meetings of the Health and Sport Committee on the bill difficult because we were talking about something that is quite close to me as an individu...
Lesley Brennan (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Very few of us plan and discuss our intentions for when we pass on or, importantly, how we will pay for the arrangements. My own parents are an exception—the...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Lesley Brennan on what I thought was a thoughtful and informative speech, to which I listened with interest. I enjoy having her sit with me on...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
The Health and Sport Committee focused in particular on the provisions relating to pregnancy loss, stillbirth and infant loss, and heard a great deal about t...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
Burials and cremations might not be the most eye-catching subjects that we deal with in the Scottish Parliament, but they are a vital part of everyday life. ...
Nanette Milne Con
We have had a useful discussion of the bill, and there is clearly support across the chamber for its general principles. I will touch on the Local Government...
Jenny Marra Lab
This has been a good debate with a thorough airing of some issues. The bill covers a wide variety of issues for Parliament’s consideration. I will touch init...
Maureen Watt SNP
I am grateful to parliamentary colleagues for their contributions to what has been an extremely useful debate. I welcome members’ recognition of the need to ...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
That concludes the stage 1 debate on the Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Bill.