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Meeting of the Parliament 09 February 2016

09 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transplantation (Authorisation of Removal of Organs etc) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I congratulate Anne McTaggart on bringing the bill to the chamber and taking her proposals this far through the parliamentary process. Her bill has been an important part of a genuine national conversation about organ donation in this country. That is a testament to her hard work, the hard work of Drew Smith before her, and the campaigning efforts of Kidney Research UK, the British Heart Foundation, the Evening Times and many more.

Whatever the Parliament ultimately agrees to do on the bill, the conversation that was started by the opt for life campaign has been a healthy and productive one. If it has got people out there considering organ donation and thinking about their final wishes, the debate has been worth while.

I also state at the outset of my speech that I am firmly of the view that, if the changes that we are discussing were to become law, we could give real hope to people on waiting lists and save lives. It is for that reason that I support the principles that underpin the bill, and I hope that members on all sides can do so, too.

When we last debated transplantation, I mentioned the work of the organ donation task force. It is now eight years since the task force reported on ways to improve organ donation, and the progress that has been made in that time has been welcomed, particularly by the medical profession. Its findings have shaped policy, informed the work of Government and, many believe, contributed to an increase in donation rates. Better training and co-ordination and more awareness have all made a difference, yet despite the progress in recent years, real challenges remain, and they must be overcome.

I draw the Parliament’s attention to the written evidence that the British Heart Foundation Scotland supplied to the Health and Sport Committee, according to which nearly 7,000 people in the UK are on waiting lists and three people die each day waiting for an organ. Levels of organ donation are still low by European standards. Even though 90 per cent of the public say that they support organ donation, only 32 per cent are registered as organ donors. Over 46 per cent of families refused organ donation in a single year because they did not know their relative’s wishes. Long waits and confusion about families’ wishes are costing lives, and that is why the bill is so important.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15128, in the name of Anne McTaggart, on the Transplantation (Authorisation of Removal of Organs etc) (Sc...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is my great privilege to open this debate, to welcome key stakeholders and their families to the public gallery and to speak to my motion that the Parliam...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Does Anne McTaggart agree that some of the difficulties with the bill, such as those that relate to proxies, are complex issues for which no apparent solutio...
Anne McTaggart Lab
No—I do not agree that that is the case. We have had bills to which up to 200 amendments have been lodged, so I do not agree that the issue of proxies need b...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Ms McTaggart on bringing forward the proposal. She talked about the possibility of extra donors. Does she agree with the figures that the Brit...
Anne McTaggart Lab
Yes, I certainly agree with the British Heart Foundation Scotland. Let us be clear. There is a price to be paid for delaying the decision. I have never said...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
I pay tribute to Anne McTaggart. She and her staff have worked tirelessly to bring us to where we are today—debating organ donation in this chamber and raisi...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Maureen Watt SNP
The Government shares the concerns that were expressed in the stage 1 report. In particular, we agree that the appointment of proxies could cause unnecessary...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister give way?
Maureen Watt SNP
There is a particular concern in the case of adults with incapacity. The bill’s provisions could lock such adults into organ donation, because they could not...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Maureen Watt SNP
NHS Blood and Transplant, which currently employs the specialist nurses, also raised concerns about the AIP role. Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Maureen Watt SNP
I will take an intervention from John Mason.
John Mason SNP
The minister mentioned specific provisions and aspects of the bill. Can she confirm that her opposition to the bill is based on those details and not on the ...
Maureen Watt SNP
I absolutely can. I will come to that. Although some of the issues could be addressed through amendments at stage 2, others could not be.
Drew Smith Lab
Will the minister give way?
Maureen Watt SNP
If the member would just listen, he might understand why we are objecting to the bill. Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Maureen Watt SNP
In particular, the authorised investigating persons provisions cannot be separated from the bill, because the proposed model requires AIPs to police the new ...
Anne McTaggart Lab
What is currently in place for that to happen?
Maureen Watt SNP
In terms of proxies? There is nothing about proxies in the system at present. Although the majority of the committee did not support the propositions in the...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Maureen Watt SNP
I can confirm today that, in line with the committee’s recommendation, we are starting preparation for a detailed consultation on further methods to increase...
Anne McTaggart Lab
When?
Maureen Watt SNP
If we are re-elected, we will take the matter forward as an early priority in the next session of Parliament and bring forward legislation as appropriate. W...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?